Newcastle v Liverpool – Match preview.

Posted on December 11th, 2010 | 137 Comments |

Will these scenes be repeated today?
Will these scenes be repeated today?
The new era begins in earnest at St James’ Park this evening when Alan Pardew takes charge of his first Newcastle match since being appointed manager during the week.

There are many views on what the Pardew era will bring, but in amongst the speculation, rumour, hearsay, unrest, anger and dismay, there is the small matter of trying to beat Liverpool.

Yes that is correct – football.

With everything that has gone on this week it has perhaps been easier to put the football on the backburner whilst the events have been digested. In all probablility there is likely to be some form of protest against Mike Ashley at the ground, which is fine if that is what people want to do. I just hope that the protests don’t spread to the players in much the same way they did just over two years ago against Hull City.

Anyway, back to the football. Newcastle could welcome back Kevin Nolan and Joey Barton for the visit of Liverpool. Both players have trained this week and are in with a shout of making a return to first team action.

Mike Williamson and Fabricio Coloccini both serve the last match of their respective three game bans which means that Steven Taylor and Sol Campbell are almost certain to keep their place in the team, barring injury of course.

With regard to injury news, it’s much the same as it has been for a while now. Steve Harper, Hatem Ben Arfa, Dan Gosling and Ryan Taylor are all still sidelined with their long-term injuries, although it is worth pointing out that both Harper and Gosling are not too far away from being available for the first team.

Now taking a stab at the team can’t be that easy considering we have a new manager. Pardew may see things differently, so I’m going to take a stab at the team that I would like to see;

Newcastle – Tim Krul, Danny Simpson, Sol Campbell, Steven Taylor, Jose Enrique, Joey Barton, Cheick Tiote, Kevin Nolan, Jonas Gutierrez, Andy Carroll, Nile Ranger.

Liverpool will be without Steven Gerrard, Jamie Carragher, Dan Agger and Jay Spearing for the trip to Tyneside as they all sit out with various injuries. Their last match was a comfortable 3-0 win over Aston Villa in which they lined up with a team of;

Liverpool – Pepe Reina, Glen Johnson, Sotirios Kyrgiakos, Martin Skrtel, Paul Konchesky, Dirk Kuyt, Raul Meireles, Lucas Leiva, Maxi Rodriguez, Ryan Babel, David Ngog.

Liverpool seem to enjoy playing Newcastle. In fact the last time The Reds turned up on Tyneside they won 5-1. It doesn’t stop there though as Liverpool have won the last four meetings on the bounce against us, and they have rather ominously scored a total of 14 goals in those games.

Mind you, one saving grace, hopefully, could be Liverpool’s poor away form. The away side have only won two of the last 17 fixtures on the road. Having said that, Newcastle’s home form isn’t too great so Roy Hodgson will have eyes on taking three points today.

I really don’t want to predict this one, but I reckon that The Reds will reign supreme in this one and stroll to a 2-0 victory.

Howay the lads!

Date – Saturday, 11th November, 2010.

Kick-off – 5:30pm.

Venue – St James’ Park, Newcastle.

Referee – Lee Mason.

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  1. Pretty sure Torres will be in the starting line up…
    It’ll be interesting to see if Ashley will show up

  2. Just heard Ashley is going to be at the match today-I honestly think he just loves winding us all up now. Who in their right mind would go SJP knowing that 50,000 furious supports will be screaming for his blood?-he genuinely enjoys it now having the whole footballing worlds against him especially us.

    Maybe something just clicked in the fat f****r’s head one day when he was getting threatened for his disgraceful treatment of Keegan or perhaps something since and he now just wants to bide his time until the market picks up again and he can sell us off at any kind of profit and until then he’ll just keep spending nowt and pissing us all off at every opportunity he can get.

    There is literally no other explanation other than maybe his dad’s his brother but that story’s for another day.

    Either way I hope the miserable t**t dies a miserable death for what he’s done to our club for his own entertainment but for now we’re stuck with him. Regardless I’ll be there supporting the lads today because I know the fat b******d will just enjoy anything I feel like shouting at him.

    HWTL, Liverpool are shit and we can win this one!

  3. Its one of those games where it will all go right or all go wrong. There will be no half measures. I think the boys might be very motivated to do it for Chris on his birthday and Liverpool are not the same side that beat us 5-1. Carroll to get some goals and I for one hope Lovenkrands starts.

  4. I’m a true nufc fan have been all my life and I am defently not ma biggest fan bt all these people bayin for his blood and wishin him a slow death and sayin all wat he has done for this club is all bad all I am sayin is is he really tht bad we r now bk in prem we bow have players who would fight for the toon and we r not in debt like most of the other prem teams r at the moment ok he has done some silly things bt imagine if shepard was still owner we would be more then likely b another pompy Geordie till I die

  5. webby
    If Shepard was in charge, i’m without doubt that we would have been another Portsmouth.

    The way the club was financed +
    nature of the recession =
    administration

  7. good write up…poor choice of photo…

    Like it or lump it, Ashley owns the club and he signs the checks.

    All fans have an emotional and spiritual connection to there team, thats why they are so passionate. If you don’t want to support MA financially, don’t go to the game and don’t buy his merchandise, that’s a personal choice everyone can make.

    MA is destroying the spirit of the club, and making us a laughing stock, whilst also damaging his “own goods”, which is really quite difficult to understand.

    If Pardew pulls the team and fans round, and gets the fans smiling, this will be seen as a master stroke by MA. Granted it will be a difficult job, with the negative feeling against all things Ashley, but results help. If it all fails on the footballing front, as the majority of bloggers seem to fear, then we are back to square one with the spectre of relegation to contend with…

    The timing, method and treatment of CH…that is a different story all together..

    This post is not in any way supportive of MA, I’me just trying to make sense of someone systematically dismantling the spirit and fabric of a sporting institution which is an integral part of the lives of tens of thousands of people…

    I would love to turn Liverpool over today…
    Howay the lads, and shown them what you are all worth !!
    At the end of the day they are all highly paid athletes, and have a duty towards the paying public, no matter who the manager or owner may be..

    Rant over…

  8. AOD you must have been on a bender last night. 10 out of 10 for keeping a smiling face mate…

  11. 1-3 liverpool, torres hatrick, less than 40,000 inside, mass protests outside. Pardue to take us into bottom three before xmas and then be sacked by feb at latest as ashley hits yet another panic self sistruct button, brings back kinnear, we go down, all the players leave, ashley folds up nufc and we get turned into a council ran multi storey car park???

  13. I’ll be there to support the lads as usual.

    Pardew has a reputation for keeping supporters in the loop about what is going on at the clubs he’s been at. Christ knows we certainly need that!

    Start of a new era – I give him 6 months until he realises what it’s like to work under a mong!

  14. stu…….ashley will sack him before that and have to pay 5 years compo to him, thus blowing another 10 million and all of any transfer kitty we ever had. christ, how much has ashley had to give to managers so far, fat same, keegan, CH and soon to be pardew. Fat sam alone was a huge amount, then KK got 2 million. i bet we are around ten million with pardew …. who will of course soon join the dole line again – ten million better off.

  16. Dont think we will have a full house today. so forget 50,000 pap.
    Dont think we will win either.
    It wasn’t just down to Hoots why we were losing games. Some of the lads are f’king crap. No point beating about the bush, and this is down to the fat one and his lack of investment.
    Expect to see a wedge spent in jan just to try and keep us up.
    Plus a few will be shipped out.

  18. CC …this five and a half year contract for Pardew has me baffled.

    But I disagree with your compensation angle mate, there is something going on here, cannot put my finger on it though…read the rumours doing the rounds..

    NO-ONE No-WHERE gets offered five year contracts any more…it’s unheard of ..

  19. i heard a few things that ashley is selling up and that he let his mate have a 5 and a half year contract so he can have a nice pay off , what ive been told they are americans intrested in buying us god i hope its true

  22. I suggest all fans who have tickets for the game, should all go. I’m living in South Africa and wish I could go to the games, yet there are people who can go but choose not to go. Forget Ashley and his poor decision making, the players need our support and it’s a massive game for us. Newcastle United is bigger than any player, manager or owner. Howay the lads! You’ve got my support

  23. MAGS @12…we all love Newcastle United mate…that’s the problem

    BB@16 good point regarding the quality of the players, but CH seemed to be building a team with prudent investment, we all know splashing out millions doesn’t always bring success.
    He also probably wasn’t too far away from assembling a team good enough to remain in the Prem, which at the end of the day should have been the priority this season.
    Obviously MA didn’t rate CH’s ability to take the club forward..end of story.

    If Ashley had of unveiled Martin O’Neill or a supposed big name as new manager, I’m sure that 90% of our fans would have accepted things. Of course we go in the other direction, unveiling a relatively unknown face, or one of the “cockney mafia” – what a load of crap this is by the way…idiotic, makes us Geordies look like yokels.

    But it doesn’t mean that Pardew cannot succeed for goodness sake !

  28. summerof69…in Germany the fans have interesting ways of protesting…but the ones which count most are INSIDE the stadiums…

    One game I remember, the fans entered the stadium, but stayed in the bars, or outside of the seating area until the game had been played for around 15 minutes. Then all of the fans came inside and actually took there seats and began supporting the team..

    I remember on game, when the complete away fan end of 2000 fans turned there back on the playing area whilst the game was actually going on for 15 minutes to show there disgust..

    Huge banners were unfolded with statements from the fans communicating their disgust or dislike of owner policies. In police state UK/St James Park, you can forget about this option unfortunatley…

    Of course, the majority of these protests are portrayed on TV or in the newspapers later, and the media almost always take the side of the fans, who are the life blood of the sport at the end of the day…

  29. Munich – I took my Year 8 school team to third in the table recently – makes me mire qualified!
    Ps I’m a Geordie who lives in Manchester – manc is my Geordie mares piss take name for me – bastaurds!

  30. i bet ashleys spys are on here and if they are give him this message ? the fans of this club will lye down till he has gone and the protests start today and this time we wont back down like last time , this time he went to far , what he has to realise is that he has season ticket holders money this season but does he next season i for 1 wont be renewing unless the fat twat is gone

  31. Sorry my post makes me look like a mong – iPhones and hangover equals bad typing! God that took three attempts

  32. Pointless. We just have to wait for him to get the club making a profit again so he sells up and goes.

    We’ve been here, done that and he’s still here.

    I think we need to face facts – There isn’t anybody who wants or can buy us. Simple as that.

  33. Doubt we’ll get 50,000 there – fans have had enough and the game is on espn
    5 1/2 year contract is irrelevant as it has a 500k fixed remuneration clause if he gets sacked
    Ashley wants 200 million plus for the toon and has no chance of someone paying that amount of money unless we suddenly win back to back champions league finals
    Ultimately any manager is going to struggle under Ashley regime as we can’t afford to buy quality players, the current crop are at best a mid table lot and we can’t expect the few decent players we have to carry the team on their own, squad just doesn’t have enough quality to challenge for top 8

  34. 5 and a half year contract? How?
    1. Minimum wage (insert amount!)
    2. Bonus/results/targets achieved driven.
    3. Enough get out clauses only a lawyer could fathom!
    4. Hope to sell the club, and pass on the buck.

    HWTL.

  35. Munich, i will have to read the thread again but there is an idea to stay outside the stadium until half time when the idea is for people to take their seats.

  36. summerof69

    thats a good idea stay out till half time go in ground about 7 pm i think that would give him a shock

  37. Be interesting to see what happens today…I am thinking Tinder Box and Lots of Parrafin
    :lol:
    Alvin Pardon is a Geordie LAalalalalalala lalalaalalaa !

  39. Just watched the SSN interview with chris, came across well – opposite of the mongs that sky usually get hold of

  40. What’s the good of protesting, eh? It’ll just fuk up the team even more. Anyway, I’d actually quite like to see Newcastle beat the scouse tw@ts today.

    Sadly, until someone buys out the FCB or he has an “unfortunate” helicopter “accident”, there is bugger all anybody can do.

    Just get on with ya job of supporting the Toon and those who are able to go, sing ya hearts oot for the lads (including Hoots)and show Anal La Pew just what it’s like to be at that best place in the world.

  42. fourfourone

    I agree he did come across well. The previous protests by other supporters had beentaken in to account. He wanted us to come out of the protests looking respectable. Wich we didn’t in the previous protests.

  43. we were close to getting rid of him last time and we backed of this time we need to keep going i beleave we can make him sell if we stick together , the man has pissed to many people off to for give him this time

  44. Still bewildered – people keep saying he’s a cockney but I thought Gerard de Pardew was French?

  45. Pedro @ 19. American owners? No thanks! Look at Man U and Liverpool. I know it’s hard to believe but we could do a lot worse than Mike Ashley. Be Careful what you wish for. Frying pan and fire and all that. Bashing Ashley seems to be some peoples intent rather than backing the toon.

  46. here is the opening post of the thread

    The last 48 hours have been an emotional rollercoaster for us all. We’ve passed through anger, some of us into more anger and others into downright apathy. I don’t blame anyone for their reactions. I’m somewhere between the two. However, we must remember that we’re not Luton Town or some other mediocre club. We’re Newcastle United, and we should never lie down and die.

    Saturday is the ideal time to make our feelings known.

    ESPN will be there. Sky Sports News will be there, and a host of other media agencies. A protest is in order. A highly visual, peaceful protest.

    Anything organised must be:

    1) Peaceful.
    2) Of visual significance both outside and inside the stadium.
    3) Convey our messages of support to Hughton, and more importantly, to the players who remain contracted to this club.

    I’m proposing a huge sit-out outside St. James’. If you have a ticket already for the game, as I do, so much the better. It guarantees your seat will be empty for the television cameras inside. I propose we line the outside of St. James’ in peaceful protest with flags, banners, posters, shirts, everything we have. We don’t go into the stadium in the first half.

    Hell, even if you don’t have a ticket, so much the better. Demonstrate the amount of cash revenue that is at Ashley’s fingertips that he’s completely lost. 25,000 inside the stadium, 50,000 outside would be a tremendously powerful message.

    I think we need banners expressing our admiration for our favourite players. Enrique, Tiote, Carroll, Coloccini, Jonas… the ones who must be feeling devastated or frustrated and angry at another managerial changeover. If they don’t play for Pardew, hopefully they’ll play for us. I want Coloccini to look like this

    We need the usual anti-Ashley propaganda spattered around. The more people in Toon shirts the better. Use your imaginations with your messages of support for players/condemnation with Ashley.

    Most importantly, this must stay peaceful.

    I propose meeting at St. James’ in (very) warm clothing for 4PM, in time for the cameras to get set up, and staying there until at least 7PM. This is the club we love, and if we have to suffer to get it back, so be it.

    The only way to get rid of Ashley is to make his position untenable. Yes, we tried that before, but we forgave. I think many consider this the final straw, simply because of how Hughton was removed and the circumstances surrounding it. This protest must persevere. We have to continue to as long as necessary.

    Thoughts?

    Date: Saturday 11th December
    Time: 4.00PM
    Venue: Circling St. James Park
    Additional Info: Bring as many as you can!

  48. What’s the point of protesting !!!
    You’re the type of people who sit by and watch genocide happen you mongs

  49. Stuart79 says:
    December 11, 2010 at 11:05 am

    Pointless. We just have to wait for him to get the club making a profit again so he sells up and goes.

    We’ve been here, done that and he’s still here.

    I think we need to face facts – There isn’t anybody who wants or can buy us. Simple as that.”

    Some might call us deafestest, pragmatist, negative, however I have to agree with you 100% and say this is the reality.

    He couldn’t care less if we protest, in order for it to work he would have to have some shread of conscience, he obviously doesn’t. He’ll be in the warmth somewhere watching the footy while thouhsands will be chanting in the cold for what purpose? HE DOESN’T CARE AND IT WILL SOLVE NOTHING!

    All the media agencies are there as simly it’s a good story and it will make good viewing, seeing all those people outside protesting, they couldn’t give a sh*t about the purpose/meaning of the protest.

    All in all, the fans will be portrayed as angry, rectionary, thick northerners and everyone will once again have a good laugh at us.

    He wants to sell, he doesn’t want to be here, as soon as the club is making money again, he will sell up. Until then, get supporting those in the black and white.

    HWTL

  50. fourfouroneone says:
    December 11, 2010 at 11:50 am

    What’s the point of protesting !!!
    You’re the type of people who sit by and watch genocide happen you mong”

    Exactly the same situation mate, sacking Hughton and genocide, yup.

  51. They have been poor away and we have been poor at home so I really don’t know.

    I don’t believe Torres will be a HUGE difference. He has stinker away games aswell. Gerrard out which is always a huge plus. Plus Carragher and Agger.

    Our players need to have a good game today for the sake of the club and the fact that they have been gutless recently except for Chelsea game.

  53. Very interesting theory put forward by the guys on Sports Saturday.

    Is it possible that Ashley wants us to go down? He can cut the wages again, get the parachute payments and get the club financially viable.

    It makes you wonder. How else can he justify his decisions?

  54. I actually back this idea protest.

    There are some suggest in there that while they’re waiting outside the ground they will sing it for CH and the players for 45 min. I think that no matter what numbers it’s gonna happened but whit the togetherness determination and their effort I’m sure the songs will be heard by people inside stadium and I thing somehow it will hit harder to the players , the fan and the outsider and hopefully that maybe affect MA but I doubt that though.

    I like this idea way more than a though to that some of the fan attend the match but boo off MA DL and AP.

    Fear for the worst but just have to hope for the best.

    Hope the team get us 3 points for CH and the fan.

    HOWAY THE LADS !!!

  55. Apparently Pardew is a big fan of Ben Arfa and wants him to be the main man in a new attacking era.

    Will he have enough time to get them playing like that though?

  56. Stuart,

    That makes no sense.

    We all know the financial implications for going down are BAD not good.
    The money is in the Premiership.

    Ashley wants us to survive by spending as little as possible.

  57. I cannot believe some retards on here abusing Pardew, mocking his name etc. freaking yokels, if you are a proper Geordies you should be ashamed of yourselves…

    All this cockney mafia bollocks also gets my goat…

    Of course Pardew is a great fan of Ben Arfa, because he is a world class player, and thanks to CH AND Mike Ashley he plays for the TOON …

  58. I’m bk again And been readin the comments I’m all fir sing ‘theres only 1 chrissy hughton’ do it in the ground and cheer on the team I was there at the hull game and I saw more atsmosphere un a funeral parlour we DONT want tht game to repeated and I still say tht was the game wat got us relegated remember we r the toon army we should stick togeather god knows we had to in recent years so let’s cheer on the team and really we should not give pardew a hard one cos he’s man enough to do the job who knows wat future will bring

  59. Even if we lose 3 of the next 4 games we have to support Pardew from now on no matter what. All this, ‘we lost a few games sack the manager’ stuff just doesn’t work.

  60. Where did Ashley sign Graham Carr from does anybody know? Just out of interest coz he seems like a good scout.

  61. On wiki it says Graham Carr 66 from Corbridge Northumberland.

    In more recent times, he has built a good reputation as a scout for Tottenham Hotspur and Manchester City and is currently Head Scout at Newcastle United.

  62. Munich Mag
    people have had enough of ashley every 1 i talk to the lads that go to away games are going to protest outside of away grounds and at home and this is what we need to get rid of them

  65. Obviously coz he’s Alan Carr’s dad and he jokes that he was never proud of him and wanted him to play football. :lol:

  66. DJG says:
    December 11, 2010 at 1:09 pm
    Even if we lose 3 of the next 4 games we have to support Pardew from now on no matter what. All this, ‘we lost a few games sack the manager’ stuff just doesn’t work…

    it didn’t stop you repeatedly suggesting we should be thinking about getting shot of poor hooter’s over the last few weeks now did it ? – make your mind up what we should be doing will you coz your confusing me.

  67. stu……… how can he get ben arfa palying when the lad is out knackered and will prob not even play another game for us before his loan expires and he sods off? how can pardew plan his attack around i guy with one leg?

  68. Hopefully is true that Pardew is a great motivator like Jose Mourinho does. 8O

    and that he can rally the players and tell them,you lad’s are not playing for the sake of playing,but playing for the name of NUFC,the supporters,not the owner.

  69. Roy Cropper

    I was very suprised when C.H got sacked. I wasn’t happy with some of the recent performances but I didn’t want or expect him to get sacked.

  70. fair do’s – but the way i read your comments it came over that you would be more than happy to see the back of him. :(

  74. Im worried ESPN are gonna focus more off the pitch than on it. No doubt KK will be there getting his oar stuck in. :(

  78. AOD………. i am not at all impressed with this appointment. CH may well have not been the guy to lead us onwards and upwards but one thing is for sure…. pardew is total cack and his cv is pretty shocking. how fat ash sees this as a manager with proven prem experience and the man to take us to the next level is beyond me. i think like a few others have said…. there is more to this than meets the eye, it stinks.

  79. back kk on what ever he says cos it will be the truth ,
    and should every body else after what he done for newcastle

  83. We are where we are with Pardew, lets face it we aren’t going to get a big name manager with Ashley in charge
    Hopefully Pardew can get the best out of what is a limited squad

    Ashley is hoping to emulate Arsenal but somehow do it spending even less money, we can prob get 100 million from a buyer if we manage to stay in the prem. This means that Ashley has to earn 100 million from Newcastle to pay back the amount he’s loaned the club, only way we can start paying off that debt is to sell any players we can get a decent amount for which ultimately will reduce the value of the club
    we’re pretty much stuck with the fat controller :(

    Happy Birthday to CH

  84. @77 AngelOfDeath

    Im not as disappointed as I thought I would be. I think he has come across quite well in what he has said so far and naturally he is in for a tough ride which is not really his fault.

    I didn’t expect to get a ‘big name’ manager who would demand a lot of freedom and money.

    We have to move on now, there are hard games coming up and we are in a battle. Im not sure im bothered by the fact that Ashley and Carr seem to be getting more power in terms of signings because to be fair in Tiote and Ben Arfa IMO they have already made more intelligent signings than Hughton did. If Pardew can comunicate with them and work well with the team I think theres no reason why he couldn’t do well. He seems like the right sort of manager who wants to play attacking footie on the deck, I think that is what this club needs and quite simply why managers like Allardyce were doomed to fail.

    At the end of the day the manager only stands on the sideline and has the players that are at his disposal. With intelligent signings they do well, with poor signings they don’t. Im hoping we can make more intelligent signings starting in Jan.

  86. some fella on twitter who knew about the signings before they happened in the summer says that there’s a release clause on Pardew’s contract believed to be around £500,000, would make sense, fool me once etc etc

  87. Pardew reckons he’s already spoke to Graham Carr about players for January.

    Also wants build an exciting, attacking team round the likes of Carroll, Barton and Ben Arfa.

  88. every is starting to get ridiculous over this Chris Hughton sacking. Fair play, i liked him as much as every1 else on here. He isn’t dead is he?.

    Managers get sacked.. face it.
    18months ago no1 wanted CH to be our manager and it turned out alright… so why not give AP the same chance?

    if ya don’t and start booing the manager, players, board (during games) then all the fans will be just as responsible as MA, because history shows you no team do well in those circumstances.

    I think everyones going on about Hughton as tho he is dead or something. over the last year ive been to about 10-12 matches in total and apart from one or two we were well shit!

  91. Craig
    the very same Ben Arfa who was touted as being one of the best up and coming players in Europe last year, valued at around £15 million, and we have the opportunity to get him for £6 million, who is still young and would be here for many seasons if he did sign up permanently.

    Yeah him…

    Stop being so pedantic man you bore

  92. no mike, you bore, i speak reality, he is on loan with bust leg and you say 6 million… ffs, you got to be kidding think fat mike will splash that money on a single player.

  93. Very nervous about this game and the direction of the clown running the club, as we all are.

    Until/unless the fan ownership idea begins to coalesce in the Barcelona/German Fan Ownership model, the club will lurch from crisis to crisis.

    The solution is a gradual evolution to that model of fan owner-members.

    Until we have fan member-owners, all the carping about which bag of $hit owns the club and how unjust and foolish their actions are… well, it’s all just farting in the wind.

  94. I Love Mike says:
    December 11, 2010 at 2:39 pm
    “Stop being so pedantic man you bore”

    craig chisholm says:
    December 11, 2010 at 2:42 pm

    “no mike, you bore”

    Seriously? That’s your response?

  95. “I speak reality”
    How can you speak ‘reality’ when 1, you have no idea what’s going through Ashley’s head and 2. it hasn’t happened yet, can you see in to the future?

    “you got to be kidding think fat mike will splash that money on a single player.”

    Fabricio Coloccini, £10 million

  96. Let’s not forget that the loan fee for Ben Arfa is also acting as a deposit, so it won’t be £6 million, it will be the difference between the deposit and the balance which, if figures are to be believed, mean that Newcastle will need to stump up just £4 million more.

  99. DJG says:
    December 11, 2010 at 2:13 pm

    “Im not sure im bothered by the fact that Ashley and Carr seem to be getting more power in terms of signings because to be fair in Tiote and Ben Arfa IMO they have already made more intelligent signings than Hughton did.”

    Eh? Tiote and Ben Arfa were Hughton signings, DJG. In Tiote’s case he tracked him from just after he joined the club under Wise and Keegan.

  101. workyticket says:
    December 11, 2010 at 3:09 pm
    “Tiote and Ben Arfa were Hughton signings, DJG. In Tiote’s case he tracked him from just after he joined the club under Wise and Keegan.”

    Remember you said that the other day actually worky, forgot to ask, where did you find that out from cause I could find anything? In fact everything I could find seemed to indicate – not prove though – that they mainly down to Carr.

  102. I Love Mike says:
    December 11, 2010 at 3:17 pm

    “Remember you said that the other day actually worky, forgot to ask, where did you find that out from cause I could find anything? In fact everything I could find seemed to indicate – not prove though – that they mainly down to Carr.”

    ILM, Hughton was sent over to the Netherlands on a scouting mission to look at players, and he was impressed by the ‘Lion King’. He kept tabs on him and signed him as soon as he became available.

    Here’s something Hughton said about him in the Sunday Stun. It’s from my notes, but I’ll have to hunt down some of the original sources that I used:

    “I always knew he would be the type of player who would do well in the Premier League. He has the kind of build and mentality you want,” Hughton told the Sunday Sun.

    “Getting players like Cheick in, it’s all about a network of scouts. I had seen him myself and when that is the case it sometimes stays in your mind.

    “He was one we’d looked at over a longer period. I saw him a couple of years ago but Newcastle’s scouts knew him even before then, when he was in Belgium. It was a long process, but we were delighted to get our man and he’s proving us right at the moment.”

  103. Worky-Am i wrong in saying Steve Mclaren also told Hughton that if one player would have immediate success in the Prem from his Twente team, it would be Tiote?

  104. again though mate, his piece indicates that he was brought to his attention because of our ‘scouting network’, as he put it.

    “I saw him a couple of years ago but Newcastle’s scouts knew him even before then, when he was in Belgium.”

  106. Ross says:
    December 11, 2010 at 3:32 pm

    “Worky-Am i wrong in saying Steve Mclaren also told Hughton that if one player would have immediate success in the Prem from his Twente team, it would be Tiote?”

    Ross, I know that McClaren told Tiote himself that his game would suit the Premiership very well. He may have said it to Hughton as well, but I’m not entirely sure ATM. He definitely said it though.

  107. fair play, seems he was then.

    sorry to be argumentative though, as it says, it was when he was on a scouting mission for Keegan, i.e. when he wasn’t the manager.

    I just can’t see how he would have had the time to do this when he was a manager.

  108. I Love Mike says:
    December 11, 2010 at 3:34 pm

    “again though mate, his piece indicates that he was brought to his attention because of our ’scouting network’, as he put it.”

    When he spotted Tiote, he was part of the scouting network, and Carr hadn’t joined the club yet (see above). Hughton also tends to be very modest about that sort of thing, and prefers to share ‘credit’ around. That’s what I’ve found in my research on him anyway.

  109. ILM you should know better than too pull worky up aboot something,because he will always back it up :)

  110. batty says:
    December 11, 2010 at 3:50 pm

    “ILM you should know better than too pull worky up aboot something,because he will always back it up”

    batty, I’m just obsessed with ‘Clueless Chris’ really. :-)

  112. I hope we win today! Are Nolan and Barton fit? It will also be interesting to see which centre back pairing goes with in our next game.

    Call me fickle but if the fat man comes out and improves our playing squad in the next two windows I will be happy. Presuming if course Pardew is not useless.

  113. “Call me fickle but if the fat man comes out and improves our playing squad in the next two windows I will be happy. Presuming if course Pardew is not useless.”

    Im in that camp as well if we could take Keane, Bentley and O’Hara from sperms stiffs, I wouldnt forget whats happened to Hoots becuase the treatment and lack of gratitude stinks but i would be more pleased and optimistic about staying up…

  114. worky sacking CH is the worst thing hes done since he has been here ,iam not happy with any of them including the snide b@stard pardew

  118. oh shit BATTY hope not mate takes some getting oot of that bottom 3,just hope i see something from the players in next 2 games,if not we are doon imo

  119. IMO CH would and should have known that anything could have happened after the way they treated KK and AS while CH was there to see it happen

  121. Ice tbh I felt as if we were going to continue to slip down the slippery slope before CH was shafted.
    I still think that we should have taken points of the teams around us but for some of them we simply didn’t turn up, and if the players had off turned up we would still be under the control of CH

  123. DAVE i think he did,we could kind of see it m8,little money spent,no replacement for cal,no contract,hoots wasnt dum

  125. Batty I agree 100% that he didn’t deserve it, but we really dont know anything about why CH got shafted.
    But as I said CH knew what MA was like as he seen KK and AS getting shafted by the same guy

  126. Its not exactly jarrow marchesque is it… :roll:

    I hate how they write stuff like Hughton is a geordie, Cant they see how they play up to the Sky sports news portrayal ??

  128. Big Dave says:
    December 11, 2010 at 4:19 pm

    “I still think that we should have taken points of the teams around us but for some of them we simply didn’t turn up, and if the players had off turned up we would still be under the control of CH”

    I think that is something of a myth, Dave. We WERE inconsistent because Hughton was in the middle of reshaping a whole team with practically no budget, he had some important injuries and these things nearly always take time to work. I actually found the inconsistency to be an encouraging sign, just like Alex Ferguson’s bairns were inconsistent and there were calls for him to be sacked by fans when he was reshaping the Manchester United team. Besides, there are hardly any teams who haven’t suffered from inconsistency this year, even Chelsea.

  130. Big Dave says:
    December 11, 2010 at 4:22 pm

    “Batty I agree 100% that he didn’t deserve it, but we really dont know anything about why CH got shafted.”

    Because Newcastle United attract bad owners who make bad decisions, Dave.

  131. Worky I can remember 2 matches in paticular where 90% of the team didn’t turn up, IMO there is no excuse for not trying to do your best as we know they are capable off putting a full shift in, I do think a team can carry 1 or 2 players not giving their all but not when its most of the team

  132. Newcastle team: Tim Krul, Danny Simpson, Jose Enrique, Sol Campbell, Steven Taylor, Joey Barton, Cheik Tiote, Kevin Nolan (c), Jonas Gutierrez, Shola Ameobi, Andy Carroll
    Subs: Steve Harper, Danny Guthrie, Wayne Routledge, Peter Lovenkrands, James Perch, Alan Smith, Nile Ranger

  133. Worky @ 130 wouldn’t it be great if we could have owners that just sit in the background and let the FOOTBALL men get on with the football with no interferrence from the board.
    I still think we could do far better if we had a proper Footballing Chairman

  134. “You can’t work with these people, you can’t trust them. They say one thing and mean another. I had a phone call for about an hour, in an effort to try and sign a player. The moment I got off the phone, they had a conference call between them and decided that no, we wont offer 2 million, we’ll offer 1. And it will be rejected”-Keegan.

  135. “Mike Ashley doesn’t know anything about football, that’s one thing. Derek Llambias, knows even less. So, you have to get in people who know what they’re doing, trust them with the job and let them get on with it. They don’t even do that. That’s why its a shambles”-Keegan