Pardew blames disappointing youngsters, pitch and qualification for Bordeaux bombshell

Posted on December 7th, 2012 | 83 Comments |

Alan Pardew points the finger.
Silver Supremo scolds Bordeaux bairns.
Speaking after Newcastle United’s 2-0 capitulation to Bordeaux in their last Europa League Group D game, Alan Pardew blamed the fact that the side had already qualified for the next round, Bordeaux’s pitch and some disappointing performances for the younger players he fielded for the defeat.

Pardew wailed:

“Yeah, I was a bit disappointed really. We both played mixed teams, we both obviously qualified which made it psychologically a difficult game I think. The pitch was difficult, it was heavy. They play Rugby on that pitch and it was heavy on the legs. I thought they coped better with the pitch and they were the better side. They deserved to win.”

He then moved on, pouring scorn on the young players who he felt didn’t take their chance to impress him. He also suggested that they may have blown their only chance to put themselves in his thoughts for future games this season as more “Purple” first team regulars return, continuing:

“Alot of our young players who we played tonight, you know, I was expecting a little bit more and we’ll have a good look at those now. I don’t think the opportunity’s going to come around for them again this season unless we really suffered like we did tonight in terms of who was available. But I did have one eye on Monday for sure, and I was just a little bit disappointed that we didn’t give it a better go in terms of trying to retrieve the situation after conceeding the first goal.”

Newcastle United only came second in their group. This means they will not be a seeded team like the group winners and the four third placed drop outs with the best overall records from the Champions League, who now drop to the lesser competition. Being a seeded team guarantees that they will play their second legs at home. Teams from the same group or the same association cannot be drawn together, but from the round of 16 onwards the draw is free. This means that Newcastle United will not face fellow Premiership teams Tottenham, Liverpool or Chelsea in the next round at least.

Finally, in other news which might be of interest to Toon fans, Like Newcastle United, euro giants Internazionale and Europa League holders Atletico Madrid only managed to finish second in their respective Europa League groups too. So finishing second might not be such a bad thing after all!

The draw for the next round will take place on the 20th December in Nyon, Switzerland at 2:00pm Central European Time (3:00pm UK time).

Final Europa League Group D table.
Team Pl W D L F A GD Pts
Girondins de Bordeaux 6 4 1 1 10 5 +5 13
Newcastle United 6 2 3 1 7 5 +2 9
CS Maritimo 6 1 3 2 4 6 -2 6
Club Brugge 6 1 1 4 6 11 -5 4

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  1. his formation and set up was what was wrong! starting Ranger wide right?! and for some reason we seemed to go back to the long ball! i understand with big figures up front like Ranger and the two Ameobi’s but Shola and Sammy are pretty decent with their feet, Bigirimana can spot a pass and Abeid has some good technique, why lump it forward every chance you get?! Ranger’s shocking, shouldn’t play for Newcastle again, get rid of him! And when he’s chasing the game, he brings on Coloccini, Anita for Sammy and Cisse with 5 minutes to go! Don’t blame the youngsters Pardew, awful tactics this season, last season he was bang on with playing it along the ground, GO BACK!!

  3. i expect nothing more from the sap, alan pardew.
    he never takes responsibility for anything he does, it’s always someone elses fault.
    the stupid idiot has put us in a situation, where we’ll end up playing one of the bigger clubs, in the draw.
    all because he hasn’t got the stones to stand up the regime, total coward and tody merchant.

    he chose the side, he decided to go with the kids, who he has been bigging up all summer.
    now he is blaming them for his own short comings, what a tosser this bloke is.
    he’s just been on radio newcastle, giving his usual guff, and covering up one lie, with another lie, all of which, nearly always come back and bite him.

    i see one of the comments on sky sports, is one of those, i know someone who works at the club etc.
    apparently behind the scenes, ashley has realised, he’s dropped the bollock, giving pardew a long contract, and he may be going to get pedalled shortly.

  4. The few bits of the game i watched, were awfull.
    Poor technique, no clue tactically, watched better Sunday morning games.
    It’s apparent these youngsters are far from ready, as a group.
    They may very well blend in when chucked in in the last ten or fifteen minutes and in fact flatter to decieve.
    However the fact is if this club has any intention of going after silverware, we have to bring in the necessary recruits and stop kidding ourselves (pun intended)
    Of course it’s fine if i say that, but i’m not the guy who picked the lineup and for Pardew to criticise these kids, is like self criticism.
    But i doubt if he figured that out?
    Anyway it’s doubtfull if we will go much farther than this next stage, but it was needed experience and should have demonstrated to our great leader that this club has a thin squad that cant compete in all three competitions,FA cup, EPL and Europe.
    And we cant blame it on injuries, as this club has had a history of injuries over the years and should be both expected and prepared for.
    Yeah 1 i realise Ashley doesn’t like to spend and thinks he knows what he’s doing, but the facts are obvious, you aint gonna win anything on a shoesring budget.
    And winning things, is where the money comes from, but what the hell do i know ?

  5. I agree with most of what’s in the comments above. But I would add another reason for Pardew to make a bit more effort. Reading worky’s blog it doesn’t look like being second makes much difference anyway but what I mean is that with things the way they are, surely it would have been better for the spirit of the whole squad if we went into the Fulham game on the back of two wins on the trot instaed of yet another defeat? Wouldn’t it have helped with Cisses confidence also if he’d had a more time to score against a Bordeaux second team instead before he was sent out against another Premiership first team again? He only got about five minutes at the end which will do him no good.

    I don’t know I’m just giving my thoughts. One thing I do know though is that we were shite again last night!

  6. Exactly toontony. This could have been a morale springboard. Now the Fulham game just sits there-we have to win it but with very little momentum. Luckily they’re in the same boat. And hopefully HBA will be back…

    Pardew reminds me of the NYC Metro Transit Authority I rely on to get around. To paraphrase what I say about them: AP won’t always get you a result but he’ll always have an excuse.

  7. That’s a very good point Tony. It must be because i was thinking the same thing! :-)

    On the other hand though coming second might actually be better. We can’t meet Chelsea and Liverpool anyway because we’re English like them (sort of). The way things turned out though with Inter and Atletico Madrid coming second too means that the seeded teams we’ll meet might actually be easier in the end. I don’t think there was a way Pardew could have known that when he was preparing for the game though.

  8. what date was chris hughton sacked on?, i seem to remember it was early december.
    could pardew get the spanish archer, if we get beaten by fulham?
    he could then put carver in charge, give him a go, to see if he can handle it, or get a stooge in, just before the window closes, after carver has done a caretaker job, for a few games.
    either way, it will give him his usual excuse, not to spend any readies.

  9. “VENERABLE”-DUCK EGG says:
    December 7, 2012 at 5:06 pm

    “what date was chris hughton sacked on?”

    6th December 2010, the day after we were beaten 3-1 by West Brom. It’s a date that will live on in infamy.

    Do I have to call you “VENERABLE”-DUCK EGG from now on?

  10. Poor parpoo,it was bordeuxs fault we lost,because their second string played football,and parpoo wasnt sure how to deal with that,also the flight was delayed out of newcastle to france,and that upset the players,and the grass was too green,parpoos socks were too tight,and he did not get his coffee,…not his fault we lost..

  11. worky, i’ll come up with something else, just a bit sick of trojan records 73.
    it was after my my schoolboy spelling typo, i thought it was appropriate.
    too much alcohol intake after monday’s match, and trying to do a crossword puzzle, with one of the answers was venerable, and it must have stuck in the mind, and i put it in my post, instead of vulnerable lol.

  12. “VENERABLE”-DUCK EGG says:
    December 7, 2012 at 6:36 pm

    “worky, i’ll come up with something else, just a bit sick of trojan records 73.”

    How about “King Tubby” Trojan? He’s one of my personal favourites. Though some who aren’t au fait with Jamaican music might mistake you for Mike Ashley.

  13. workyticket says:
    December 7, 2012 at 4:16 pm

    “On the other hand though coming second might actually be better. We can’t meet Chelsea and Liverpool anyway because we’re English like them (sort of). The way things turned out though with Inter and Atletico Madrid coming second too means that the seeded teams we’ll meet might actually be easier in the end. I don’t think there was a way Pardew could have known that when he was preparing for the game though.”

    Re my earlier comment above, below is a list of the seeded and unseeded teams for the next round, so see what you think?

    Seeded: Benfica, Bordeaux, CFR Cluj, Chelsea*, Dnipro, Fenerbahce, Genk, Hannover, Lazio, Lyon, Liverpool*, Metalist Kharkiv, Olympiakos, Rubin Kazan, Steaua Bucuresti, Viktoria Plzen.

    Unseeded: Ajax, Anzhi Makhachkala, Atletico Madrid, Borussia Monchengladbach, BATE Borisov, Bayer Leverkusen, Dynamo Kiev, FC Basel, Inter Milan, Levante, Napoli, Newcastle United, Sparta Prague, Stuttgart, Tottenham Hotspur*, Zenit St Petersburg.

    * – We can’t face an English side in the next round.

  14. Worky @13: I agree. I think the unseeded group is at least as strong as the seeded group, especially since we can remove Liverpool and Chelsea from our draw.

  15. GS, it’s a reality check. Atletico are splitting Barcelona and Real Madrid in La Liga, they hold the Europa League AND the Super Cup after beating Champions League Chelsea 4-1 for it, and they have a £50 million goal machine called Falcao. They are undoubetdly one of the world’s top teams and that’s just one of them. We could also see Pardew pitting his wits against the likes of Luciano Spalletti and Guus Hiddink. Then there’s Internazionale and the several other teams who aren’t to be sniffed at by any means. It’s scary.

  16. I just looked it up on Wikipedia and the seeding only matters for the first round of games. At 16 teams remaining it is all in the same pot, although I didn’t see what determines who plays home first.

    Going to listen to the Cricket. I have been up until 4.30am the last 2 nights. I can’t find any internet TV.

    Do you know the BBC block internet RADIO broadcasting of Test Match Special on the internet. I have to listen to a weird thing called Test Match Sofa which is just about OK but can be a bit annoying (it is run by someone who I gather is some sort of semi-pro comedian).

    I suppose I could get a short wave radio but I have been expecting someone to circumvent this crap and put the TV coverage on the internet.

  17. Hey, Worky, I read your article again and see that you had already said it was a free draw in the round of 16. Sorry.

  19. its not a free draw. google bert kassie. we have avoided athletico, inter and some other big teams by coming second. bullet dodged. many teams seem to ditch the last game when they were already through. decent comments from pards to put some of the fringe down a peg or two

  21. flymetothetoon says:
    December 8, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “its not a free draw.”

    Aye flymetothetoon, that’s where I started at comment 7. But all bets are off for the last sixteen if we get that far.

  22. Worky: I read your article one more time and I am disgusted with “Mr. Motivator”. He said about our young players :

    “I was expecting a little bit more and we’ll have a good look at those now. I don’t think the opportunity’s going to come around for them again this season”.

    So it had nothing to do with us having to put out a line-up who never really have played together, in a system that we know doesn’t work for us, away from home, in a game that didn’t mean an awful lot, against a line-up that we knew next to nothing about?

    HE IS BLAMING IT ON THE KIDS. And, furthermore saying THEY have f*cked up what will be their only chance this season. And he is saying they all played equally badly.

    We know he will renege on this statement the same way he did about Ranger and other times. I thought you were supposed to nurture young players and build them up, not kick them when they are down.

    It is not like this is the only game we have played badly in this season, and the others were when the “purples” were playing.

  23. GS says:
    December 8, 2012 at 1:20 pm

    “Worky: I read your article one more time and I am disgusted with “Mr. Motivator”. He said about our young players :

    “I was expecting a little bit more and we’ll have a good look at those now. I don’t think the opportunity’s going to come around for them again this season”.”

    That isn’t all of it GS. He’s so disgusted with them he’s talking about sending them out on loan on the strength of that performance:

    “I will probably look at loaning a few of those who played tonight, hopefully after January when I have a stronger position in the squad.”

    “I just said to the young boys ‘I do not think there are going to be too many chances now.’

    “That was their last chance and one or two will be a bit disappointed they did not do better.

    “The only answer to that is to try to improve, and one or two of them will go out on loan..

    “They have a bit of growing up to do in terms of playing for this club.

    “Certainly, they need to learn a little bit more about this game away from the black-and-white and the pressure of the jersey here and the level we are playing at.”

    http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news/2012/12/07/alan-pardew-is-hoping-to-boost-newcastle-squad-72703-32379466/

  24. Workyticket says:

    “He’s so disgusted with them he’s talking about sending them out on loan on the strength of that performance”

    Off to the Glasgow SportsDirect Arena then, I suppose.

  25. When lower quality newspapers split their quotes up into single sentence paragraphs (as above), it’s usually because they presume their readers are stupid semi-illiterate people with very short attention spans.

  27. DarthBroon says:
    December 8, 2012 at 2:04 pm

    “Off to the Glasgow SportsDirect Arena then, I suppose.”

    Aye Darth, that thing. Though as you may know, the club has been making arrangements with several clubs regarding farming young players out on loan. It’s a part of Ashley’s remodelling of the club to make it more like Udinese in Italy, a top level selling club. The owners of Udinese, the Pozzo group, also own Granada in Spain and now Watford. Now Ashley’s getting his claws into Rangers.

    http://aroundthepeninsula.wordpress.com/2011/12/17/the-friuli-farm/

    http://swissramble.blogspot.co.uk/2011/05/udinese-selling-their-way-to-top.html

  28. “I’ve never been happy with his touchline antics. I’m not sure what he does on the coaching field. I know one or two who have played under him and weren’t too impressed with him, a couple of young players I knew, Jobi McAnuff being one of them who said he didn’t enjoy his time at West Ham because of Alan Pardew. I just think that he’s got a massive ego. When West Ham were doing poorly he took a step back. When they were doing well he became very big time and he promoted himself more than the team.” – Stewart Robson.

  31. toontony says:
    December 8, 2012 at 4:08 pm

    “Is it just me or is this poll in the Chronicle hard to believe?”

    Tony, it’s not just about the answers, it’s also about the questions and how the answers to those questions have been manipulated into some kind of “conclusion”

    I had a quick look at it and I noticed that the questions aren’t available anymore, but one of the commenters wrote of the questions being “slightly loaded,” giving one example:

    “Mike Ashley has pumped in over £200million of his own funds at St James’ Park, how happy are you with the current ownership of Newcastle United?”

    If that version of the question is true, then “slightly loaded” is massive understatement, and would reveal the survey is complete joke which has been deliberately designed to elicit a certain response.

    On the question as it is quoted in the answers “Are you happy with Alan Pardew?” (I didn’t see the original and whether there was anything else to “load” it or not) Actually, less than half are “content” or “very happy.” However, the other half of that 95% responded in the affirmative to “Content but waiting for results to.”

    Waiting for results to what? Has the original question being truncated there, or is it just ridiculously open?

    Even without seeing the questions, it just looks like the whole thing has some kind of agenda and hence is not a serious, unbiased survey.

  32. Just about anyone can prove any point by poll, it’s all about the questions asked or if a verbal poll, same thing both being loaded or slanted, which favors the required answer.
    No one wants to appear dumb, by deliberately giving an answer that would make you appear so, whether they agree or disagree.

  33. Just watched a very entertaining game between Swansea and that team from East Anglia, with no name players and a manager who aint BIG enough for the famous NUFC.
    Yeah wor Chris managed to get the three points out of a very entertaining game.
    With good football played by both sides.
    Bassong had a good game, (how come we didn’t go back in for him ?)even scored with a header, something his replacement has yet to do, though used at every attacking set play and stands at well over six feet, why bother including him ?
    Anyhow, my point is most clubs success is for the most part down to good managing and coaching, which we appear to have little of either, regardless of how many polls the Chronicle (a house organ) puts out to mollify or confuse fans into thinking the opposite of what they see.
    The propaganda machine never stops, does it.
    And i recall complaining we(NUFC) had no PR dept. in the early years, be careful what you wish for.

  35. Didn’t Pardew have the opposite view about our young players a few months ago saying they were a strong bunch and he expected a few to push the first team?

    He throws them all in at the same time with a lackluster Shola and now says they are all shyte. They don’t know what system or position they are supposed to play in from week to week – much like the first team.

    There is some truth in the saying “a bad workman blames his tools”.

  36. GS says:
    December 8, 2012 at 8:15 pm

    “There is some truth in the saying “a bad workman blames his tools”.”

    Aye GS, but Alan Pardew’s tool has caused him a few problems in the past.

    di biaggio says:
    December 8, 2012 at 8:09 pm

    “Alreet chuck maye ur good crack u. Same gans yo gs worky tunyc”

    Thanks dibiaggio and welcome to the blog.

  37. This article and the accompanying comments are a bunch of whiny crap. Pardew gave his thoughts on a disappointing match; he neither evades responsibility nor sugarcoats the perforamnce.

    How exactly does Pardew “blame” the pitch, or use it as an excuse? They played on a rugby pitch today, which affected the game. He acknowledges that Bordeaux “coped with the pitch and were the better side.” The pitch did not look good from my viewing, and Bordeaux’s superior coping contributed to their win. Excuse? Blame?

    Pardew also “blames” the youngsters? Pardew was disappointed with their performance, as was I and everyone else watching the game. Should he assess the performance and say “good enough, their manager cost them the match”? No, he says that they weren’t good enough (they weren’t ), challenging them to improve. He then plans on sending them out on loan, which is undoubtedly the right move for many of them.

    How is this unacceptable excuse making? I get that the performance was unacceptable, but how are Pards comments independently worthy of criticism?

  38. chuck says:
    December 8, 2012 at 7:52 pm

    “Yeah wor Chris managed to get the three points out of a very entertaining game.
    With good football played by both sides.”

    Though not necessarily at the same time if you look at the timing of the goals. Although both teams have had consistent results recently I think they’re both still at that erratic stage ATM as the managers settle in. I think that Swansea’s first half against West Brom was one of the best halves of football I’ve seen this season so far, though obviously, that definitely wasn’t the case for them today! As for Hughton, I loved the way he took a hit early in the season while he experimented with his different options and worked out what was best for the long term. That what made me realise he was a good manager in the first place.

    chuck says:
    December 8, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “Just about anyone can prove any point by poll, it’s all about the questions asked or if a verbal poll, same thing both being loaded or slanted, which favors the required answer.”

    Aye Chuck, but would you write the same thing if the conclusion was “95% of fans think Pardew’s crap”? ;-)

  39. 3 parts baileys irish cream – 2 parts french brandy an ice cube or 2 – clinkity clink.

    a plate of nicely warmed sweet mince pies dolloped with a tasty rum sauce.

    twinkling christmas tree lights.

    dean – frank & sammy in the background.

    a 5 minutes browse on .org before the girls arrive…

    – you know life is worth the struggle when you look back on what you have lost and realise what you have now is way better than before –

    …well there’s a knock knock on me front door.

    – must dash x

  40. Free sooring

    Pardew picks a bunch of youngsters, who were not yet ready as a side, leaving the so called purple players on the bench or at home.
    Every dog in the street was aware following the first ten minutes it was a mistake (that is that we had a chace of winning)
    Some of us criticised both his choice and also mentioned the fact those kids were no way ready for this responsibility.
    But for the guy actually responsible, to then criticise them, in order to deflect blame from himself, is shameful, dont you think.

  41. Worky @ 38#

    Worky sez, aye chuck but would you write the same thing if the conclusion was 99% of fans think Pardews crap ?

    Of course not! as you are well aware i’m the “get it right police” on this blog, and i would find nothing to argue against with such a result..

  43. chuck says:
    December 9, 2012 at 12:33 am

    “Pardew picks a bunch of youngsters, who were not yet ready as a side, leaving the so called purple players on the bench or at home.”

    Chuck, to be fair, given the fact that we were already through and with injuries and such too, I think that most managers would have done a similar thing. But as you suggest, to repeatedly give the bairns a dressing down in public and then saying he’s going to put them out on loan without taking any of the responsiblity himself for the result, that was cowardly, self serving and potentially bad for the players’ confidence.

  44. The questions regarding the fans contentment with Alan Pardew are exactly as I remember them being asked in the Newspaper … I know that’s hard to hear when the overwhelming majority aren’t in agreement with the herd on here. The idea that the questions were loaded on that point simply isn’t true.

    Also to the comments about the answer optipons for the question “Are you happy with Alan Pardew?”. The answer option on that weblink was obviously meant to say “content but waiting for results to IMPROVE”. Meaning the results haven’t been as good as people hoped but instead of whining and calling for the managers head (which has always worked out well for the club in the past….) people are hopeful that things will improve. By the way this is simply a typo in the website article showing the results… This error in the answer options wasn’t there in the Newspaper article that people answered and which the poll results are based on.

  45. Had a quick look around and i’ve actually still got the newspaper with the survey questions from last week… All the questions and answer options on the website are almost exactly how they were asked in the newspaper except for 10 and 11.

    Here are how the questions and answers to those 2 questions were worded in the newspaper.

    10.Q. Do you think the manager was given a fair ammount to spend this summer after leading the club to fifth and winning the LMA and Premier League manager of the year awards.

    11.Q. Mike Ashley has pumped in more than £200 million of his own funds at St James’ park. How happy are you with the current ownership or Newcastle United.

    The question regarding happines with Alan Pardew was “How happy are you with Alan Pardew”…. Whereas in the web link it is stated as “are you happy with Alan Pardew”. An insignifigant difference as the answer options in the web link and article are the same apart from the typo “content waiting for results to(improve)”

    If you aren’t happy with my statement of ALMOST exactly the same i’m perfectly happy to type out any specific question and answer options from the newspaper that anyone requests.

  46. I don’t want to bash Pardew, but I will when he talks crap (some on here will say that is everytime he opens his mouth).

    His latest is that the next couple of months will make or break our season – no sh*t Sherlock.

    Freescoring Smudge, I also read the article in the Chronicle that was posted @23, and all of the comments were negative about Pardew. So, it is not just on here where he is getting stick.

    I try to defend Pardew, especially since he got us to 5th. It gets harder with each tactical miscalculation and now the passing of the blame to kids. At least at the start of the season when we played badly he would take some responsibility.

    Still, should be close against Fulham with a pretty strong squad available for us.

  47. Maybe Pardew will try the 3 envelope thing with the kids like Rodgers did with Liverpool. That worked with Carroll and Downing (55 MILLION WASTED NOW).

    Did you read his comments on Obertan?

    C’MON ANDYMAC I KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE. I NEED YOU TO SAY SOMETHING.

  48. Worky: if you want to lighten the mood in your preview, the Obertan quotes will bring many smiles. I think Messi and Ronaldo will be worried about next years Ballon D’or.

  49. Paulos, you’re a star!

    Seeing as you offered though, I would really appreciate a version which was exactly the same if that one is almost, but not quite exactley right. Nee botha though if you really don’t want to, I appreciate you doing that one anyway.

    From what I can see there though, those too questions above are ridiculously loaded. I’ll put them below and bold the “loaded” parts:

    10.Q. Do you think the manager was given a fair ammount to spend this summer after leading the club to fifth and winning the LMA and Premier League manager of the year awards.

    11.Q. Mike Ashley has pumped in more than £200 million of his own funds at St James’ park. How happy are you with the current ownership or Newcastle United.

    And he hasn’t “pumped in more than £200 million of his own funds” anyway, he has merely loaned the club around £140 million, a sum which the club have to pay back at some stage, and certainly does no harm to his tax situation. But I digress…

    “The question regarding happines with Alan Pardew was “How happy are you with Alan Pardew”…. Whereas in the web link it is stated as “are you happy with Alan Pardew”. An insignifigant difference”

    If I may respectfully disagree Paulos, there IS a VERY significant difference between “How happy are you with Alan Pardew” (the one in the questionnaire) and “are you happy with Alan Pardew.” The one in the questionnaire assumes that the person filling it out IS happy with Pardew and that it’s just a question of HOW happy the person is. On the other hand “are you happy with Alan Pardew” is far less biased and “loaded.”

    Do you see what I’m saying Paulos?

  50. GS says:
    December 9, 2012 at 2:49 am

    “Worky: if you want to lighten the mood in your preview, the Obertan quotes will bring many smiles. I think Messi and Ronaldo will be worried about next years Ballon D’or.”

    I think so but I’m not sure?

    You mean about how he gagging for him to come back? How he gives the team team a whole new dimension with his pace, and how he keeps opposition defences pinned back and terrified on his own, that sort of thing? Like this:

    http://www.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-boss-alan-pardew-wants-gift-of-the-gab-1-5207736

    If so, whether it’s correct or not, I actually admire him for that. That’s what I think he should be doing rather than abusing bairns in public who’s confidence may be fragile. I don’t ridicule players except in extreme circumstances and I just run a two-bit blog, I’m not their manager.

  51. Worky, point taken. I don’t think Obertan is that terrible anyway. What I was saying was not ridiculing the player it was ridiculing Pardew’s contrasting treatment of one of his faves and the kids that he also spoke glowingly about very recently.

    No need to argue about this. We are of the same view I think.

  52. workyticket says:
    December 9, 2012 at 3:11 am

    “That’s what I think he should be doing rather than abusing bairns in public”

    In hindsight, I probably should have phrased that differently.

  54. @52: Was that really a Freudian slip Worky, or are you just bring everybody’s attention to the fact that you said it :) It’s not like that sort of thing has been in the news much lately.

  55. chronicle poll is meaningless-from a publication that drove away most willing to criticize our ownership LONG AGO.

    Obertan clearly has photos of AP banging 10-year-old boys. Yeah he should build him up…but he’s more effusive about him than anyone else in our squad. It’s kinda absurd.

    Oh, and isn’t that three goals in three games from Bassong now? Oh well, at least we got a whole lot of cash for him!1!111

    Pffffffffft.

  56. tunyc says:
    December 9, 2012 at 1:06 pm

    “chronicle poll is meaningless”

    But it isn’t meaningless is enough people actually believe it tunyc, and that result (just the result and not the dubious means used in the survey) will be probably be repeated many times until it comes to be accepted as a fact. It’s a bit like Saddam Hussein and his weapons of mass destruction, or Mike Ashley pumping over £250 million into the club.

  57. True, worky. Sociology 1: reification/objectification. Now the masses can blow the fruit of their labor (wages-again, pffft) on people that rip them off and look down their noses at them. But the truth is that those who believe it probably would have rationalized the behavior of the management at NUFC anyway. Some of the excuses I’ve seen floated by other supporters…presumably without any influence at all from the pro PR hacks hired by AshleyCo…

    They just won’t believe that this institution exists today first and foremost to transfer their capital to owners who have no ambition for the club beyond transferring even more supporters’ case to themselves.

  58. tunyc, the undoubted effectiveness of “Zero Tolerance” is another one which came to be believed worldwide after a very dodgy ‘proved’ how it reduced crime in your neck of the woods. A far less dodgy study subsequently suggested that the fall in crime was far more likely to have been caused by demographic changes in the inner city, and yet people are still being tasered all over the place for f-all.

    “Dirty Bombs” is another one. Most people still believe that terrorists can make a dirty bomb in a garage which could kill many thousands and render large cities as no go areas for a 200,000 years. In reality though, any nuclear scientist would tell you that such a device would make a few people cough for a few days and that’s about it.

  59. @GS:
    ‘I try to defend Pardew, especially since he got us to 5th. It gets harder with each tactical miscalculation’

    Pardew does not do tactics, he gambles. As with gambling some times you win.

    People claim we have not got the players. We have better players than all the teams below us, better than west brom, Norwich, Swansea, Everton, stoke west ham. All teams in the league and in the championship are superior to us in the managerial department.

    Pardew is a casino pundit lucky enough to have made it into the managerial ranks. Pity is managers are so recycled and they rarely ever look outside the current pool. Once in you are pretty much set to be offered a job at some stage.

  60. One last comment on the Chronicle poll.
    I stated earlier polls can elicit the required answers according to how they are worded.
    For instance question 11# if you believe the fact that Ashley has in fact pumped in more than 200 million of his own money, it would be a bit silly or sound like some kind of ingrate to say were not very happy with that.
    Kna whata mean like!

  61. Michael12 says:
    December 9, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    “Pardew does not do tactics, he gambles. As with gambling some times you win.”

    He does do tactics Michael, but they’re 90s Reading tactics. You could see it when we played his Reading protege, Brian “long balls” McDermott. They were like two peas in a pod in that game. He will deviate a little too, as he did in our last Wigan game where the team had a markedly different approach to previous games. However, at some stage he will probably return to his old bad habits like a dog returning to it’s own vomit. It’s what he feels comfortable with.

  62. Worky
    Yes anyone with a brain in his head here in NYC, undestands a period of full employment and gentrification (demographics) plus the current stop and search law.
    had more to do with the drop in crime.
    An interesting study revealed that almost all of those stopped and searched were either African Americans or Hipanics, naturally the darker skinned in the majority.
    Whereas those found guilty of some crime, were for the most part in possession of drugs or a weapon, few guns mostly knives.
    How many people carry a pocket knife, it can be consided a dangerous weapon in NYC, that is unless your a caucasian, where your chances of being stopped are slim.
    When questioned, in the recent poll (there are protests naturally ergo the poll) the white populace voted around 50-50 as to whether they were in favor, the minority vote was overwhelmingly against.
    Why?
    Why do you think ?
    I was called for jury duty on such a case, where a Latino male, whith a previous record was stopped and supposedly found to be in possession of a knife.
    It was his word against the police.
    Of course i didn’t make the jury, having my doubts as to the veracity of the cops.
    Now tell me with the recent law changes cocerning demonstrating around certain areas
    close to Westminester Palace, is it any different and are there different laws for the wealthy and the poor.
    I think you will find the Metropolitan Police as much a bed of corruption as the NYPD.
    And the Judicery just as bad.
    The recent history of the met is nothing to boast about nor for that matter, a judicery that lets the police get away wirh murder.
    We in NYC dont pretend to believe in all of our institutions, especially both the Police and Judicery.

  63. Chuck, I’ll come back to that one in the fullness of time as it require a mini essay, and I have some full length ones to be cracking on with.

  64. Chuck @62: I would pay to see you in the Jury room. I think it would be an update of the Henry Fonda classic movie but it would be called “One Angry Man (and 11 others)”.

  65. when i come onto this blog, it’s like enrolling in the “open university”.
    give ower man chuck!!!, big essays an aal that, your proper full on.
    by the time we’re finished with this blog, we are all going to have, hnd’s, diploma’s, degrees, with this information highway.
    we’ll probably all get certificates through our letterboxes, sponsored by amstel.
    well as long as it’s not a 2:1, to fulham lol.

    when i saw that handsome lee ryder’s latest poll, i thought it might cause a bit of a stir.
    the way the questions were put, it was bound to give a favourable result.
    in reality it doesn’t really matter, because mr wonderful will be down the road soon enough.

    worky, thanks for the suggestions of a name change, “king tubby”, is a belter.
    i think for the moment though, i’m going to go for “joe hawkins”, a song by the antifascist skinhead band, “the oppressed”.

  66. Joe Hawkins
    It’s doubtfull if you will ever get any degree through your letter box, unless you learn both some grammer and how to write something inteligible.
    Plus i’m sure your anti fascist skinhead band (does anyone your age have a clue as to what fascism is about)
    got things covered.

  67. i saw people tweeting about the chronicle poll however i didn’t see the poll myself.

    most people i follow were using it to bash the anti-ashley/pardew folk in the same way they did after unconvincing win against a 10-man wigan.

    i just don’t understand this blind loyalty to pardew. he got lucky last season and a large proportion of our support seem comfortable with the fact that he’s ashley’s puppet and are immune to his continuous bullshitting.

    @joe

    i hope you’re right. i don’t see it but i hope you’re right!

  69. chuck says:
    December 10, 2012 at 3:40 am

    “Joe Hawkins
    It’s doubtfull if you will ever get any degree through your letter box, unless you learn both some grammer and how to write something inteligible.
    Plus i’m sure your anti fascist skinhead band (does anyone your age have a clue as to what fascism is about)
    got things covered.”

    Chuck, that’s Trojan’s new nickname and I’m sure he wasn’t being entirely serious there.

    With spelling as unINTELLIGIBLE as yours, it ill behoves you to criticise other people’s GRAMMAR. And it’s DOUBTFUL BTW.

    Just because he isn’t as old as you, it doesn’t mean he isn’t old. ;-)

    Now put your handbags down ladies.

  71. joe hawkins says:

    when i come onto this blog, it’s like enrolling in the “open university”.

    That’s one of the things I like about this blog though Joe. I’ve learned alot since i started coming on here. As long as it mentions nUFC every now and again I’m happy! :-)

  72. I’ve definitely learned a bit more about that daft poll in the Chroncle through reading the comments this morning. I couldn’t believe it was true when I saw it. Thanks worky!

  74. it just goes to show you chuck has no sense of humour, at all.
    chuck you need to lighten up ffs,americans and a sense of humour, it must be right about not getting irony.
    take it in the spirit, it’s meant, you miserable git lol.
    if your going to take offence at an ANTI-FACIST band, then your off your bin.
    roddy moreno has campaigned for years to change the image of what people think a skinhead is.
    unless your one of those people, who thinks they are all nazi’s.

    i see pardew is getting more bizarre by the day, judging by todays riveting edition of the chronic.
    pardew is putting up boards around the training pitch, because he thinks his tactics, are being leaked to the media etc.
    you couldn’t make it up, he’s on about standing still, moving forward, and more off the wall rubbish.
    he’s an absolute beaut, is wor pardew…

  75. Joe Hawkins: I think Chuckles thought you were new on here and wanted to assert himself as the alpha male on this board. He took a cyber p*ss on your fence.

  76. chuck, i’ll give you that, i am one lousy typist, and frequently make mistakes, but we cannot all be computer whizz kids.

  77. gs, he’s one angry old barsteward, i’m only having a bit of banter with him, it wasn’t meant as a massive slight against him, or anything like that.
    i think he’s just picking it up the wrong way, and taken umbrage lol.

  78. Joe Hawkins: I have told him he is grumpy old goat. I have grown to like his rants, but I still find it hard to tell if he is being serious or not.

  80. @joe #74

    cheers, just read it it. that’s hilarious, they’ve pluralised tactics. they’re going to need bloody big boards to stop folk seeing the ball being hoofed from krul to demba while the midfield sit playing fifa on their smartphones.

  81. stewpot, you can clearly see he is on the verge of one of his meltdowns.
    this is the alan pardew i know and loathe, he is a complete numpty.
    you just have to watch his team on the pitch, there’s no big secret, to be had.
    he has got to be one of the most self deluded characters, in association football.

  82. aye joe, definitely sounds like the pressure’s getting to him. even the language he uses in that article points to some kind of persecution complex.

    surprising for a card player that comes across so publicly bipolar. no wonder he’s taking it up the wrong ‘un from degsy and fat mike, his poker face was so bad it got him his job now he’s blaming our poor form on a few charvers gawping through the railings at darsley park… his bullshit knows no bounds.

  83. Joe Hawkins: c’mon though Joe, let’s support the team. We are NUFC fans I want us to win always.

    We have good players and they will stand up for the team tonight.

    Fulham nil, Newcastle 87 million.