Sunderland vs Newcastle United derby day match banter!

Posted on October 21st, 2012 | 86 Comments |

Sunderland v Newcastle match preview.
It's that time of the season again.
Venue: Stadium of Blight, Blunderland.
Date: Sunday, 22nd Oct.
Kick off: 1:30pm
Referee: Martin Atkinson.
UK TV: Sky Sports 1.

Well, it’s that time of the season again, a time when Shola Ameobi emerges from the shadows to nudge aside Lionel Messi and Christiano Ronaldo and become the most potent goalscoring force in world football. Will he do it again? Will he even start? Will the Mackems once again be tramping back to their Wearside hovels in abject despair? Of course, this is what usually happens as Sunderland have won only one of their last 15 games against Newcastle (W1, D6, L8). Indeed, they have won only one of their last 14 Premier League games against any Premiership team (W1, D9, L4) as Mackem manager, Martin O’Neill, desperately tries to get his side into top gear. Let us hope it isn’t in this game, as like the team from the land that time forgot, we have had a few problems of our own turning draws into victories.

Indeed, judging by our previous form this season, the start could well be crucial. Pardew must get it right from the first whistle this time, otherwise we will be asking for trouble. He can’t rely on us playing catch up, as we have in several games previously this season. Anyway, we will soon find out!

Before we do though, may I recommend some excellent pre-match reading in the form of my collegue AndyMac’s rivetting match preview of the game, which should fill you in with everything you need to know in the run up to this great Derby.

This game will be broadcast on Sky Sports 1 in the UK, though as usual, I shall try to post some online links for the game in the comments section below for those of you who don’t have it, as well as the team sheets for the game once they become available.

Howay the Lads!

Team sheets.

Sunderland (4-4-1-1): Simon Mignolet; Craig Gardner, John O’Shea (c), Carlos Cuellar, Danny Rose; Adam Johnson, Jack Colback, Sebastian Larsson, James McClean; Stephane Sessegnon; Steven Fletcher.

Subs: Kieren Westwood, Phil Bardsley, Matt Kilgallon, David Meyler, David Vaughan, Frazier Campbell, Louis Saha.

Newcastle United (4-4-2): Tim Krul (G), Danny Simpson, Mike Williamson, Fabricio Coloccini (C), Davide Santon, Hatem Ben Arfa, Yohan Cabaye, Cheick Tiote, Jonas Gutierrez, Shola Ameobi, Demba Ba.

Substitutes: Steve Harper (G), Shane Ferguson, James Perch, Steven Taylor, Vurnon Anita, Gabriel Obertan, Papiss Cisse.

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  2. Teams:

    Krul; Simpson, Williamson, Coloccini (c), Santon; Ben Arfa, Cabaye, Tiote, Gutierrez; Ba, Shola Ameobi.

    Subs: Harper, Steven Taylor, Ferguson, Perch, Anita, Obertan, Cisse.

    Scum:

    Mignolet; Gardner, O’Shea, Cuellar, Rose; Colback, Larsson, Johnson, McClean; Sessegnon, Fletcher.

    Subs: Who cares

  6. I would assume so, Worky, but you never know. I know Johnson would not start in a game like this for them.

  8. AndyMac says:
    October 21, 2012 at 12:51 pm

    “BTW WT where’s my bleedin’ picture gone ?”

    Sorry Andy, I didn’t see it until it was too late. I was in a real rush and ended up working on it into the early hours so I could get it out for this morning.

  9. Big game! Will be down the pub so my tactical awareness will be stifled.. Will pop on here for comments. HWTL

  12. Hi Worky I am on a mac been using VIPBOX for yonks and the mac is still purring like a pussy cat :lol:

  19. sirjasontoon says:
    October 21, 2012 at 1:21 pm

    “Hi Worky I am on a mac been using VIPBOX for yonks and the mac is still purring like a pussy cat”

    And I’ve been watching lots of those Flash streams with my Windows laptop and d/top and so are they. However, users of both Windows and Macs have told me they’ve clicked on some dodgy stuff using those pages.

  21. The “Yes” link on Sopcast (first on the Wiziwig link above) is very good. Not quite as good as “Bloodzeed” perhaps but still very good nonetheless and better than any of the Flash ones.

  29. A well taken goal by our should be captain.
    But again clueless attempts to break out, facing a high Sunderland line, resulting in the usual hoof it up the pitch for a fifty fifty ball.
    Nowt ever gonna happen on the left, with the two right footeders who only cut to-wards the center and run into traffic.
    Did’nt look like a red, but the games screwed now, why dont ref’s use their heads, or is that an oxymoron ?
    Lrts see what our genius manager comes up with ?

  33. I agree with Pleat that the sending off was “slightly harsh.” Not the greatest miscarriage of justice ever perhaps, but still a little extreme. Should’ve been a yellow.

  37. Hopefully get to see some of Anita while Tiote is out. Derby’s don’t suit aggressive players.

  38. It is ironic that Steven Taylor said no Sunderland players would get in the Newcastle team and then Steven Taylor couldn’t get in the Nrewcastle team.

  41. Not much of a game ,scrappy, with only HBA and Cabaye showing any sign of class.
    With two managers who are still using the tactics they were taught as players, what can you expect.
    Thought the Tiote sending off was bit harsh, but he aughtta know by now his reputation is out there and pick his shots.
    I mean to cocede a red along the sideline with nothing at stake is no more tha dumb.
    Again putting Jonas on the wing with Santon, niether who offer anything other than running into traffic as they veer to-wards midfield is a waste of time.
    Santon is so much more effective at RWB and Jonas as a DM.
    We need someone who can feed our striker Ba, who happens to be Ferguson, who can also track back.
    Can anyone tell me why Pardew insists on repeating the same poor lineups and team choices.
    Having watched parts of most of yesterdays games, i have come to the conclusion, both we and Sunderland are among the few still playing a style that should have been shitcanned twenty years ago.

  43. GS says:
    October 21, 2012 at 2:29 pm

    “Do you think that we should have hd a penalty for hand ball?”

    If you mean Larsson that would have been a bit harsh, then again the straight sending off for Tiote was a bit harsh too.

  44. chuck says:
    October 21, 2012 at 2:36 pm

    “With two managers who are still using the tactics they were taught as players, what can you expect.”

    Clough’s football was very elegant Chuck.

  56. danny b says:
    October 21, 2012 at 3:16 pm

    “just smashed my laptop to bits”

    We’re still on track to get the usual 4 points off them though danny b, 1 at theirs and 3 at ours. ;-)

  58. Proud of them. But all our tactics were was hoof hoof hoof again. Even with eleven on the pitch we’d have been under pressure.

  60. We still should have won that though. They offered nothing of goal mouth action apart from Ba scoring.

  61. A bit disappointed because they never really looked like scoring even being a man up. Any discussion of tactics and formations is moot in my opinion as we had to adjust after only 26 minutes. Nevertheless, with Ameobi always dropping deep I would say you would be hard pressed to say we started 4-4-2.

  63. suprisingly pratdew got his tactics right, from the off.
    started the game well, but the referee killed the game, with the sending off.
    if i was a sunderland fan, i would be disappointed with the lack of urgency, shown by them, although newcastle had everyone behind the ball.
    fair result in the end, and the two sets of fans will go away with their pride intact.

  64. Not exactly a classic!
    Awfull football for the most part.
    Niether club going anywhere playing like this.
    Who playd well ?
    I was impressed by McLain and young Danny Rose, Cabaye and HBA, tireless running by Jonas.
    A solid defence by ten men was exagerated by a hapless atacking game from Sunderland.

  65. I don’t want to go all Andymac here but I don’t understand bringing on Obertan. If you want a bit more defense, then why not Anita. If you want to defend from the front, then why not Cisse who at least offers the unexpected and puts himself about a bit as well as Obertan.

  66. Alright, Simpson starts when fit and never lets us down and yet will be free to negotiate with other teams in January. It makes no sense.

  68. GS says:
    October 21, 2012 at 3:53 pm

    “Alright, Simpson starts when fit and never lets us down and yet will be free to negotiate with other teams in January. It makes no sense.”

    It’s incredibly stupid and could cost the club millions on the long run. Simpson is worth more than some Newcastle United fans think.

  69. Worky: he kept 6 mil Anita out of the team, who, by the way looks to be a good right back as well.

    I think it is the “purple” way of thinking that is causing this problem. They have boxed themselves in with a fallacious construct of their own making.

  70. man I was fuming earlier at least we never lost I work with 3 mackems I would of ended up killing one from the stick I would of got ha well they only got 1 win in 16 so we still the best in the north east

  71. in all honesty, they were two p*** poor teams today, who neither will do much, this season.

  72. TR73: I agree if you are judging by the previous games, but how can you say we were poor when we played for 3/4 game with 10 men?

    I think we will finish 8th, but then again I still think Swansea will be relegated.

  73. TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:
    October 21, 2012 at 6:09 pm

    “in all honesty, they were two p*** poor teams today, who neither will do much, this season.”

    To be fair, they did have one more player than we did for most of the game though Trojan. We’re hardly going to play expansive, scinitillating, titallating football with only ten men. Knowing Pardew though, it may not have been much different with eleven anyway, but we can’t say.

  74. Of course Simpson is a good player, but like in the case of Hughton, minds have been made up and the temerity of the man to refuse to sign a contract is probably considered an affront, to what appears to be an ownership, that is on one of the slowest learning curves in the history of this league.
    Think about it, were it not for Carr, where would we be ?

  75. How’s this for a bit of sh|t stirring from Sky News?

    The headline is:

    “Police investigate alleged racist abuse during Sunderland draw with Newcastle”

    ‘A Northumbria Police spokesman said: “There was one report of racist language having been used by a supporter in one area of the stadium – enquiries into this report are ongoing.”‘.

    ONE report (as yet unsubstantiated) by A (singular) supported in ONE area of the stadium! How does THAT merit a bl00dy headline like that?

    http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11095/8185681/?

  76. Nee way, nee way, I divent care. Nee red card. How on earth could that be anywhere near a red card. We out played the filth all day. 61% possession 10 shots on goal one on target. What a waste of time they are. We were great. I don’t care what anyone says they were like Swansea all wings and nee flight. You would think they might have mustered up a decent free kick but no. Pitty the fools. It was another late flanger from us but hey we still have the homers,e to look forward. Apparently Oniel only has 1 win in 17 so I’m writing to the queen and nominating him for a knighthood. With 11 men we would have destroyed them. Simples. Just goes to show. WE ONly NEED TEN MEN WE ONLY NEED TEN ME, TEN MEN…

  77. Stephen C says:
    October 21, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    “they were like Swansea all wings and nee flight.”

    Swansea aren’t like that anymore thanks to the great Dane, Stephen. Also, as I said in the newer post, one of their star players is Wayne “not good enough for Nooocarssel” Routledge, who as provided as many assists as all of our “Purple” midfielders and strikers combined, along with a couple of goals too.

    The Mackems are shite, which is nice, and lucky for us today.

    As I wrote earlier, that penalty wasn’t one of the great miscarriages of justice, but it was definitely on the harsh side.

  78. Stephen C says:
    October 21, 2012 at 8:04 pm

    “Apparently Oniel only has 1 win in 17”

    Martin O’Verrated is the draw king without a doubt, however we are in the chasing pack now.

  79. DarthBroon says:
    October 21, 2012 at 7:51 pm

    ‘A Northumbria Police spokesman said: “There was one report of racist language having been used by a supporter in one area of the stadium – enquiries into this report are ongoing.”‘.

    Aye Darth, but the target was allegedly Demba Ba, so it will have been a Mackem. The Mackems were also censured in the same stories for singing they wished that Steven Taylor was dead. Of course, there were also reports of a Mackem making racist remarks online about Shola Ameobi earlier this week.

    “Taylor suffered a barrage of abuse whenever he warmed-up before eventually coming on as a late substitute at the Stadium of Light, while there was also an allegation that the Magpies’ Senegal striker Demba Ba was racially abused by a Sunderland fan during a typically stormy Tyne-Wear derby.

    A Northumbria Police spokesman said: “There was one report of racist language having been used by a supporter in one area of the stadium – enquiries into this report are ongoing.””

    http://sg.sports.yahoo.com/news/oneill-condemns-sunderlands-taylor-taunts-190850076–sow.html

    I for one am fully in favour of the media bringing these examples of appalling behaviour by Mackem degenerates into the spotlight!

  80. Worky

    I wouldn’t be suprised if it’s a SMB meself, but I still think the headline’s pretty cynical given the current debate about racism in the game. I’m definitely all for booting racism into touch but that headline was way over the top. There was much more to be said about todays game, but they chose to rant on about ONE racist (allegedly) div making a bell of himself.

    As for the chant about Steven Taylor: Daft, malicious nonsense, totally devoid of any imagination – and completely expected.

    I can just about forgive the SMBs on that one as I may have expressed similar semtiments about Lee Catermole in the past :)

  81. Darth, this is the story that put a bee in my bonnet this morning, especially the “It has been revealed Newcastle commissioned an investigation into the valuation of naming rights prior to rubber-stamping the Wonga deal and were informed they could expect to command between £3m-£4m each year” bit. I revealed that that it was actually worth around that amount back in November after checking a few other naming deals, reading a few trade journals then speaking to someone who works in the marketing industry.

    The going back on the SDA and returning to SJP was cobbled together as a way of pacifying fans after the story caused outraged after it was leaked to the Torygraph. Originally, it was for the shirts only.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2220761/Newcastle-1-5m-Wonga-stadium-rights.html

  82. Worky@81

    It certainly looks like a thinly disguised u-turn on Mike and Degsy’s part, doesn’t it? All couched up as part of the deal with Wonga.

    Or, maybe they threw it in the pot at that price as a sweetener, suggesting Wonga might get some milage out of it with the fans (there were those reports that virgin were considering buying the namiming rights and switching back to SJP as a nod to the fans).

    I’ve long since given up trying to work out the current regime’s motives. Certainly, being ‘fan pleasers’ isn’t one of them.

  83. Darth, what I know is that it was definitely only a shirt deal to start with, and the naming rights part came after the leak and the outrage.

    As for Virgin Money, their sponsorship was considerably less than many thought it was, and as a measure of how incredibly tightwadded they are, when they took up the deal, they absolutely refused to sponsor the lasses team too. The extra amount of sponsorship they were looking for was £3,500!

  84. i’m just going on watching both sides, this season, neither one has looked too good.
    even with eleven players on the pitch, newcastle have been gash, thus far.
    they have stood still, and they will end up paying the price for that.

  85. Worky

    So. Looks very much like a U-turn, then.

    OK. Taken for mugs again – but, at least it’s SJP and not Wonga Park, or Shylock Stadium. And, as they intended I’m sure, I’m almost grateful ;-)

    This is about as good as it’s going to get with MA and his pal.