Newcastle United vs Manchester United match banter!

Posted on October 7th, 2012 | 99 Comments |

Newcastle United v Machester United.
Them again!
Venue: St James’ Park, Newcastle.
Date: Sunday, 7th Oct.
Kick off: 4:00pm
Referee: Howard Webb.
UK TV: Sky Sports 1.

Hello, good afternoon and welcome to our “match banter” feature for this afternoon’s home game against Manchester United.

Well, there isn’t much we don’t know about this lot, not that it has helped us much! Whilst there have been moments of great triumph in the past, the last one of course being our 3-0 victory last season, and our most legendary being the 5-0 victory back in the “Entertainers” days of 1996, it must be said that our record against them is pretty dire over history, as it is for many clubs. This of course has been especially true since a certain red nosed manager came to the club on 6 November, 1986. After an erratic first few years with an 11th place finish in his first season, followed by a runners up spot in the first division, then a return to mid table, he has since gone on of course to be the most succesful and longest serving manager in Manchester United’s history.

This is not the place for extensive pre match trivia however, you will find all that, as well team news, possible line ups and just about everything else you might wish to know in the run up to the game in AndyMac’s extensive yet riveting match preview. However, I will mention some of what Alan Pardew has been saying in the run up to the game.

Buoyed by a confident and entertaining Europa League victory over Bordeaux on Thursday evening, but aware that things at the back may not be all they should be on both sides, he is expecting this to be a festival of goals! He said:

“Manchester United have had defensive issues and they’ve got injuries in that area, with Vidic and Jones. They are the same as us – we have no (Steven) Taylor, (Fabricio) Coloccini or Tim (Krul), so both teams are not as strong as they could be at the back. You cannot imagine it’s going to be 0-0.

“I’m sure Sir Alex will have worked on his back four, as we have, to make sure they are as drilled as possible. But with such brilliant flair players on the pitch as Rooney, Hernandez, van Persie, Demba Ba, Papiss and Ben Arfa, you can’t expect it to be anything but an entertaining game.”

“We could have done with an easer fixture to keep our rhythm going, as it’s hard to get rhythm against Manchester United. They pass the ball so well and have such great players. But in terms of momentum we couldn’t go in to it in a better mode. Hopefully we will take that into the game and give a good account of ourselves.”

Before I go I will just remind you, as I usually do, that I will be posting the team sheets for the game when they become available, as well as highlights, interviews, and possibly a full match video when the game is over. This match will be broadcast on SkySports 1 in the UK as well as other channels around the world, though I will also be posting some links to see the game for those who can’t get it.

Howay the lads!

Teams

Newcastle United (4-4-2): Steve Harper (G), David Santon, Mike Williamson, James Perch, Shane Ferguson, Hatem Ben Arfa, Cheick Tiote, Yohan Cabaye, Jonas Gutierrez, Demba Ba, Papiss Cisse

Subs: Jak Alnwick (G), Danny Simpson, Vurnon Anita, Gael Bigirimana, Gabriel Obertan, Sammy Ameobi, Shola Ameobi.

Manchester United: (4-2-3-1): David De Gea (G), Rafael, Rio Ferdinand, Jonny Evans, Patrice Evra (C), Tom Cleverley, Michael Carrick, Danny Welbeck, Wayne Rooney, Shinji Kagawa, Robin Van Persie.

Subs: Anders Lindegaard (G), Scott Wootton, Paul Scholes, Anderson, Ryan Giggs, Antonio Valencia, Javier Hernandez.

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  3. Jonas better do something today been piss poor so far.

    The only thing I agree with is finally we have someone on the left with a left foot, and someone on the right with a right foot.

  4. Glad to see the lad starting, lets hope he isn’t overawed by the occasion and can get far enough up the pitch to do some damage!

  5. Jimbob: when I can be bothered I will post something about Fenway Sports Group. They are “vulture capitalists”. No better than Hicks and Gillett and no better than Ashley for that matter.

    Now back to football!!!!

  6. Just saw Man Utd’s team and system they’re supposed to be playing versus our supposed system. Think we might struggle to keep the ball in the middle, but I have zero evidence of us struggling in a 4-4-2 to keep the ball… :/

  9. GS, I agree, but the point I made you can’t argue with. He can do whatever he wants, nothing major will come of it if it does get called ‘Wonga’.

  12. Should have gone 4-3-3 like on Thursday. Guti starting means our attack may suck.

    Lets hope Pardews tactics prove me wrong.

  14. It’s brilliant Worky. What a guy.

    Just saw Andy Cole talking about how well he and Dwight Yorke got on. I suppose having orgies together off the pitch brought them a lot closer too.

  15. Saw the proposed side, is that a definate maybe or can we take it too the bank ?
    Cause it appears we may be playing Ferguson at LB.
    Hell i would rather see Jonas there, than the only legitimate LW we have, i dont get it.
    It should be apparent by now that our weakness is across the back four, even the two football geniuses Ashley and Pancho must realize it.
    I hope Simpsons exclusion is due to a knock, not for footballing reasons.

  16. On paper it looks like a high scoring game. But, who the hell knows which Newcastle will turn up?

  22. Aghhhh! they he’s playing Ferguson at LB, cupid stunt.
    And Tiote is begining to believe his press clippings he can pass the ball like his his lucky combo with Ba.

  29. BS start as expected. These will kill us though, we won’t get lucky like Reading, and Everton.

  32. Gotta feeling this is not gonna go according to our geniys managers plan.
    What a dumbass lineup.

  34. This will end up just like the Liverpool 5-1 game. Terrible organization. Awful set up as usual. Just totally wrong. Everything.

  35. We’re terrible at set pieces these days. Ba with some very half-assed marking for both.

    Doesn’t matter, in this formation we could play them for days and never look like threatening their goal.

  37. What is wrong with the bloke Tunyc? What can he see setting up in a defensive 4-4-2 every game that we can’t?

    We cannot function this way ffs.

  38. Jimbob says:
    October 7, 2012 at 4:20 pm

    “What is wrong with the bloke Tunyc? What can he see setting up in a defensive 4-4-2 every game that we can’t?”

    It’s what he knows Jimbob.

  41. That’s the problem, worky-I have no problem with 4-4-2…when you have players who fit it. That this squad isn’t ideal for 4-4-2 seems to be obvious to EVERYONE but our manager.

  44. Is it any wonder he’s altered it and bought Jonas in the middle. A way in which we should have started the game?

  45. Yes, made at a three in the middle, instead of the suicidal 2 versus three we started with.

  49. Santon looks a bit better on the right in the attacking role, but his defending is abysmal, convert him to a winger and ffs reverse the Ferguson and Jonas roles.

  51. Gary Neville:

    “That change he’s made going with three in the middle has helped no end, Pardew deserves credit”

    Er No, that’s how he should have started, which everybody knew but himself.

  53. I can give a man credit for realizing his mistake. But why did he do that? We played so well against Bordeaux. I think he should have left Shola in the squad too. I wonder if he didn’t change the squad too much in general. Thursday was the first time we didn’t look sluggish at the start of a match. Today, regression.

  54. Anita for Guti and go for it like we did. They way Man U are going I am hoping for a red if we do pressure them.

  55. I want someone, anyone to stick a mic in his face and ask him why he loves rigid, long ball 4-4-2, when it’s evident we play better with a more free flowing midfield three.

    And how many times are we going to get outplayed before he realizes.

  57. It has been mildly enjoyable. At least we are showing some fight now.

    Did our team go out and have 6 pints and a pizza last night? What does Pardew do that we start so slowly?

    It can’t be so much the formation because they scored from corners.

  59. Yes it is about formation GS because of the total dominance they had at the start, and the lead up play that led to these corners / chances.

    It’s all about system set up and tactics.

  60. Oh, and nice miss of the shirt pull on Cisse by Howard “12th Man” Webb. That’s the most unclear common situation in football today. Is it a foul or not?

  61. GS says:
    October 7, 2012 at 4:55 pm

    “It can’t be so much the formation because they scored from corners.”

    GS, they had about 8-10 shots to our 0 during that period, and how did they win the corners?

  62. The latter half of the first period was an improvement.
    But our defending against set pieces(corners) is woeful.

    Ermm, is’nt that Pardews speciality that he works on four days out of five ?

    Again, why Jonas gets the nod for playing LW is beyond belief, his forte has never been as an attacker, but is renown for tracking back.

    Logical conclusion, play him in a defensive role, no ?

    Why we have reached this stage with our defensive unit belies belief and if we dont strengthen during the next window, this club is going nowhere.

    We cant just depend on our strikers to get us out of trouble, no matter how good they are.

  63. Jimbob and Worky, I know :) If you let a team come at you like that they will eventually score. From open play or from a corner.

  68. And Howard Webb really should get a paycheque from Man U. I think he will get a pension though for his services to the team.

  74. Thats it and should be it for a poor Harper, looks like he’s no longer got it, time to give eliott an opportunity.
    Have to say up until the goal it has been a highly entertaining game, where we appaently showed some determination and some great passing, breaking down the Manks with ease.
    Ait over yet !

  75. Don’t we say that every week?

    Things would have been different if we had Krul, Taylor and Colo and we started in 4-3-3.

  76. Have to say, Harper’s had a poor game. He’s gotta do better on that shot from Cleverley. I dare say Krul would have had it.

    But really, we lost this game in the opening 20 minutes. You can’t do that against good opposition. Get it sorted, AP.

  77. Na it’ll be this set up every game. We were due a spanking with how we’ve played this season.

  80. Substitution taking Fergy off took all the sting out of the game. We were having loads of access down the left, and even with Valencia coming on for ManUre, it was still an outlet. Trying to force it through an overcrowded middle has been fruitless

  81. Martin Tyler is such a Man U fan. Him and Webb should be banned from their games. Gary Neviller is much better.

  83. Wrong again Alan. No luck to help today. Very poor until he switched to our best formation.

    Oh well, got the mackems up soon. Convinced he’ll set it up the same.

    On a positive note, Jonas did more than recently and we didn’t lose 4-0.

  85. that was a joke, we were put of the game before a ball was kicked, with pardew’s naive tactics.
    not too much you can say really, they were slightly better, when he finally changed the formation, why play 4-4-2, if you haven’t got wingers who can put crosses in?
    it doesn’t make any sense ffs.

    i’m all for putting a man on the back post, for set pieces, but pardew puts the smallest man on the field, on the back stick, in ferguson.

    if that ball had of went over the line, it might have inspired us on, but we wouldn’t have deserved it, in all honesty.

    anybody see ashley sitting in the stand, laughing away, bedecked in his usual, “mars bar shirt”, because he, works,rests, and plays in it.
    he’s never got the cnut off his back, he’s got a good right to laugh.

  86. Pardew showing once again he is a clueless wonder.
    Harper had a nightmare of a game.

  87. Well all in all, an entertaining game to watch.
    Poor defending early in the game, lost it for us, plus we did,nt take advantage of our opportunities.

    The good news is “what happened to hoofball” .

    I was pleasantly surprised to see a side that brought the ball out of our own half stringin any amount of passes to-gether and systematically breaking down the Mancs.
    Whats going on ?

    If we continue to play this system, we will win our allocation of games and probably end up a top ten side.

    But without bringing in help for our back line, we can never compete with the top sides.

  88. ffs typo again aaarrggghhh, meant to say, “put out of the game”, i’m going to have to bite the bullet, and get some bins.

  89. Jimbob: that game could have easily been 3-2. I thought our players all did well individually. Perhaps we were out coached.

    I sort of still enjoyed the game as we had some good moments. I have seen us play worse and win.

    They were deserved winners though.

  90. Chuck, that only changed because we were 2-0 down. He will always start 4-4-2 and hoof ball so don’t start getting into a false sense of security. It’s always too late with him though, he can’t get it right from the off. If he does then great, but if he doesn’t we lose. We still have never came back from a goal down and won with Pardew.

    GS, yeah I agree that the players did well, but they deserve to be coached and set up in a system which suits them.

    If he wants to play this way he should take the Stoke job if it becomes available. They play 4-4-2 but have players suited to that set up.

    If top 8 really is our aim then you really can say goodbye to Ba, Cisse, HBA, Tiote and Cabaye. They are top six players who should be played to their strengths.

    There’s no shame in losing to Manc but it’s been coming a while now. This slow start, wrong set up, totally outnumbered in the middle.

    I saw the pri*ks laughing Trojan, both totally clueless as to what they were watching.

    And FFS what is wrong with our set pieces!

  91. If we set up as usual, and the mackems spank us what will happen?

    I’m still of the opinion that the 1-0 win last year is what helped us start so well. I think it will have the opposite effect if it goes wrong this time.

    I hope we beat them, and kick on again.

  92. Jimbob says:
    October 7, 2012 at 6:17 pm

    “If he wants to play this way he should take the Stoke job if it becomes available. They play 4-4-2 but have players suited to that set up.”

    Aye, but I would have thought Reading, Jimbob. His original team with his protege, McDermott, now at the helm. He’s a real child of Pardew (not literally of course).

  93. The Mackems actually have a good attack now, what with Johnson, Fletcher and Sausages, so we cant count our chickens there.

  94. Good thing is that the mackems look as clueless and disjointed going forward as we do. Sessegnon is to them what HBA is to us but Johnson hasn’t settled.

    I agree about the importance of that result last season, Jimbob. I’m hoping we can get a win against them this time and get some momentum going againg, because it felt like we lost any we had today after beating Bordeaux.

    And now the damn international break…

  95. jimbob, the derby game is massive now, but if he continues with this crap, we wont win that either.
    just seen his interview on sky, he’s f**kin’ priceless, is good old parvenu.

  96. tunyc: Fletcher scored 5 in 5. And Johnson is good, but maybe flatters to deceive? Sausages also may flatter to deceive.

    I think we are better.

  97. As far as the back four are concerned, both Perch and Williamson were poor, especially during set pieces, on saying that both Santon and Ferguson were good when attacking but neither IMO shold be playing as defenders.

    And what the hell was Williamson doing on the right wing.

    HBA and Fergy proved to be a good combination when playing to-gether.

    Jonas, worked hard but on being chastised for saying so by Worky, has little to offer in the attacking role, he needs to play as a DM.

    Tiote had a decent game, but with the amount of cards he picks up, to get one for dissent was foolish, but he’s attempting to make some decisive passes, but needs practice.

    Cabaye was his usual feisty self,tackling hard and laying on some good passes.

    HBA was certainly entertaining but we expect more from him perhaps.

    Again it was apparent that our two Senagalese strikers dont seem able to compliment each othe, possibly because they are so much alike in playing style, neither one is exactle a playmaker, though Shola plays the second striker role well.
    Why he gets his twenty minutes.

    Must be tough for Pardew to deal with that (egos)

    But i have to say, the way we played to-day, are we Arsenal/Swansea, in disguise ?

  98. Just saw it too Trojan… I’ve nothing to say…

    Just realized the game is on the 21st October which is bloody ages away… And shamefully I didn’t know it was at theirs…

    I’m not confident, sorry to be negative.

    At least that is a lovely big break to knock off the ‘Newcastle United’ sign and replace it with ‘Wonga.com’.

    Imagine it… Sports Direct Wonga.com Sports Direct.

    It will look great…

  99. Eight more years of these tactics,and ashley not spending when we have now been exposed is going to be sh…we should bring roman,curtis and xisco and try make a new star..the fight back was decent but we really got done by two set pieces,and an over the hill keeper in our goal.The positives,welbeck rooney,kagawa or van pudsley(lucky to be on the pitch beyond the first half)couldnt score against us,and ferguson played well.