Dutch journalist reveals Brazilian agent complications in Douglas deal

Posted on July 30th, 2012 | 113 Comments |

Douglas headbutts referee.
Douglas: Nutter.
Speaking in an interview for “talksport” radio, their consultant on matters of Dutch football, Marcel van der Kraan, suggested that Newcastle United’s alleged pursuit of FC Twente centre back, Douglas Franco Teixeira, has been complicated by the fact that he is a Brazilian who is owned by three Brazilian agents, who will all want “a big share of the pie” as van der Kraan put it.

After explaining that both Newcastle United’s manager and scouting department have been in the stands at Twente closely checking out the “big unit” centre back, van der Kraan went on to outline the difficulties of signing Brazilian players in general due to the highly complicated ownership of players by agents rather than clubs, saying:

“The tragic thing about this is that Brazilian players are owned by three different people in their own country. When they’re young, they sign contracts for agents instead of clubs – The agents hold the ownership of the player. It’s a card, what they call the player’s pass, and that is usually signed by the player and his parents for about ten years or even longer. They’re sold to the agent, and the agent has ridiculous power over the player for so many years.

“At the moment, Newcastle would love to sign Douglas, as I understand, but they have to deal with three parties all wanting a big share of the pie as we know in football.”

Now I checked up on this, and I could find two names given as being representatives of the player. The first was Ribeiro Souza Marcos Paulo from “MP9 Assessoria Esportiva”, a Brazilan ex footballer who is listed by FIFA’s list of accredited player agents. Probably because of his long Brazilian name, he has been mistakenly listed as two different people sometimes, Ribeiro Souza and Marcos Paulo, so perhaps van der Kraan made the same mistake? Secondly, there was Leo Scheinkmann, who isn’t on FIFA’s list of accredited agents. It was Scheinkmann, allegedly, who the football website, goal.com claimed broke the news, or “confirmed” to them that there was concrete interest in the player from the Magpies. However, they didn’t back it up with a direct quote so it can’t be certain. Of course,

Douglas did refer to his agent in the singular when he denied any knowledge of a Newcastle United bid, and expressed a wish to stay at his current club, saying in a post match interview:

“I know nothing of a bid and neither does my agent. Also I’ve heard nothing about it from Twente. For me it’s not concrete. I just want to stay at FC Twente.”

However this was very much at odds with earlier comments where he stated:

“I spent five years (at FC Twente), done my best for the club, have won the title, the cup and it’s time for the next step.”

After saying that he had been in touch with Ajax and told them he wasn’t interested in joining them he then added:

“I want to go abroad, I have outgrown the league. I noticed this year that I am sometimes a little too easy going down, then you make mistakes. I want to be tested every week.”

When the subject of Newcastle United was broached, he went on:

“Five clubs are interested, including a bigger club than Newcastle. I can’t say anything about it yet, but I hope to join my new club from Brazil soon.”

As well as being something of a presumptuous big head, wildly inconsistent in his comments, and having an allegedly complicated situation regarding his representatives, he has also proved to be something of a handful on the pitch too. Besides a prediliction for collecting yellow and red cards generally, he was once involved in an incident where he received THREE red cards in one game, one for slapping one opposition player, one for trying to headbutt the referee. On his sending off, he then refused to leave the pitch and had to be restrained by one of his fellow players to prevent futher violence, and he then punched another opposition player on his way off! I have included a video of it below. Apologies for the quality but the other one has been blocked to viewers outside of the Netherlands.

From what I’ve seen of him in the Eredivisie he certainly seems to be a good defender, but I would doubt the wisdom of Newcastle making a serious move for the player, as besides all the complications mentioned above, as you can see for yourselves, he can make Joey Barton look like Kofi Annan at times!

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  1. Lol…. Do we really want a psycho like this in our team? … Joey barton’s madness was enough to last us about 20yrs !

  3. Been talking to some of my Feyenoord mates about Douglas and they reckon he can be a bit of Titus (Bramble)at times.
    I hope they’re just being misschievous and if the deal does go through he proves them wrong.
    A change in management can also change a player for the better.
    My faith is in Pards though i can forsee his ongoing Dutch naturilisation process being the biggest problem here.

  4. with good coming in would rather have him as our 4th center back then douglas. from hearing all the reports he does have an attitude and from what he is saying that bigger clubs are after him clearly he wants a move elsewhere. with good he can develop with every game he gets, only good (no pun intended) for him and the club.

  5. Wow. That video’s breathtaking.

    I can understand any reservations about Douglas-he looks a proper psycho. But Good is not going to be in the first team this season unless there is a crisis. He’s 19 and has only played 24 games in the A-League, which is about as good a league as MLS. I’ve seen him play and he looks talented but he’s not ready to be thrown in the deep end. So we’ll still need a senior center half.

  6. nufc337: I have to admit I have never seen Good play. Is he backup for Williamson/Taylor or Coloccini, I mean is he a no nonsense get the job done type or more of a ballplaying centreback?

  7. he is a big lad so he has an advantage with his height and he is a ballplaying centerback played 25+ with Melbourne heart. have to say the competition in Australia does lack some quality so something must be going right if he is making it at a premier league club :D

  8. It’s a pity about the language problem that Good will encounter. They will have to sign him up for French classes :)

  9. well at least he will have company with brad inman a fellow aussie, but they should be calling Newcastle the french B squad!.

  11. GS @ 10

    ‘Is it me, or is Boris Johnson an idiot?’

    It’s you.

    You don’t become the Mayor of London (twice) by popular vote by being an idiot.

  12. Well, that must have been some other idiot that I just saw talking about Olympic tickets. George W. Bush was elected twice.

  13. I think Hitler was popular at one time as well. You could never accuse him of being an idiot, but he did get the popular vote.

  14. Yes, but Boris ain’t gonna invade any countries and kill their population like Hitler and Bush.

  15. GS says:
    July 30, 2012 at 2:25 pm

    “You could never accuse him of being an idiot, but he did get the popular vote.”

    Is that sarcasm, GS?

    Kamar says:
    July 30, 2012 at 2:17 pm

    GS @ 10

    “You don’t become the Mayor of London (twice) by popular vote by being an idiot.”

    Kamar, you get to become Mayor of London twice by appealing to comfortably off motorists in the suburbs, and not implementing a £25 “Kengestion” charge in inner London for big gas guzzling Range Rovers, Porsches etc.

  16. Worky,

    Yes, thank you for reminding me as I almost forgot that the voting population of London is made up of ‘comfortably off motorists in the suburbs, and not implementing a £25 “Kengestion” charge in inner London for big gas guzzling Range Rovers, Porsches etc.’

  17. Worky, you owe me the story about Gordon Ramsey. I am watching FC Bayern against Marseilles from April. Remy is playing up front by himself and I was wondering if he is any good. Unfortunately, for 40 minutes Marseilles haven’t had it out of their own half yet so I can’t tell.

  18. Good is probably at a similar stage to what Abeid was when he came. He’d broken into the first team at Melbourne and at times already looked too good for that league. He’s also very young and probably not ready to step up to the quality of the PL. I think he’d do better going out on loan than in the reserves but I get the impression our front office doesn’t agree. Otherwise I think we’d have seen Abeid on loan by now.

  19. Funnily enough, Cheney has resurfaced and is criticising Obama as “worse than Carter”. Yeh, the man who oversaw a war that killed over 100,000 Iraqis and 7,000 troops, nevermind the tens of thousands that were maimed. And sat back as the whole financial system imploded.

    He thinks he has something to say that I might listen to? And I still say Boris Johnson is a big, fat idiot.

  20. Kamar says:
    July 30, 2012 at 3:31 pm

    “Worky,

    Yes, thank you for reminding me as I almost forgot that the voting population of London is made up of ‘comfortably off motorists in the suburbs”

    Kamar, the inner ring belongs to Ken, the outer doughnut belongs to Boris and a few floaty people in the middle get to decide it.

  21. Truest and most damning thing Cheney has said about Obama and his admin is that they owe the Bush admin an apology, considering they’ve continued and in many cases intensified almost all of the policies for which Bush was criticized.

  22. Tunyc: it is a different thing though. It is so hard to get out of the quicksand once you are in it. And I don’t mean to defend Obama.

    I don’t even watch the news over here anymore as an 18 month election campaign had me banging my head against the wall.

  23. My problem now is that I think it will be really difficult to fit Sammy and Marveaux in. How do you drop Cisse or Ba or Ben Arfa?

    As I have said before, I think Sammy is going to be a superstar.

  24. ‘Kamar, the inner ring belongs to Ken, the outer doughnut belongs to Boris and a few floaty people in the middle get to decide it.’

    Worky, having lived in London for most of my life I never knew that it was that simple.

  25. GS: Honestly, it wouldn’t have been that hard to close Guantanamo, try terrorism suspects in real courts, investigate former Bush administration officials for various crimes, not drone bomb Pakistan/Afghanistan/Yemen, not claimed the right to summarily execute both foreign non-combatants and American citizens, not imprison Bradley Manning, not prosecute more government whistleblowers under an obscure 19th-century law than all past administrations combined, not filled his cabinet with Wall Street executives, not further empowered rapacious for-profit health insurance companies and labeled it “reform”, etc., etc.

    I’d call him the most disappointing and dishonest politician I’ve seen in my life.

  27. GS: our players are going to have to be OK with rotation. It’s a fact of life at a club with a deep squad. Personally I don’t think we’ll see that much of Ba and Cisse on the field together but who knows? These preseason matches don’t seem to indicate anything in terms of AP’s prefered team.

  28. Tunyc: you make very good points. Dishonest and politician are one and the same thing. However, I still think the Bush crowd were worse.

    I can’t even listen to these people anymore. Here in Chicago, we actually have the worst congressman ever elected. And that is saying something. His name is Joe Walsh, not the Eagles one, the moron one.

  30. tunyc says:
    July 30, 2012 at 4:09 pm

    “I’d call him the most disappointing and dishonest politician I’ve seen in my life.”

    Of course he is, tunyc. Politics is all about false choices nowadays. If Obama wasn’t disappointing and dishonest, he wouldn’t have got so far as to be elected POTUS anyway. Clinton was the same, and Kennedy and LBJ too. Democrats have killed even more people than Republicans.

    They who have put out the peoples eyes reproach them of their blindness – John Milton.

  31. Some say cream rises to the top, i say shit also floats.
    If one looks at the number of assholes who have been elected to positions of power, through the years, it’s astounding.
    From Hitler, to Berlosconi, Boris Johnson to George Bush.
    Mao tse tung to Pinochet, Mussolini to Mugabe.
    The list goes on and on, a serious of what could be called clowns, were it not for the fact, people like Stalin, Hitler Mao and other were responsible for hundreds of million deaths and for what.
    But the fact remains, they were there for the most part, by the will of the people who elected them, i’m afraid we as humans are a flawed species.

  32. But getting back to reality, what the fkuc is going on with the refusnick Taffs.
    Once again they refused to even do as much as mouth the words of the national anthem.
    There more to this than meets the eye, i mean are we asking them for a full blooded roaring of the anthem ? no!
    Most would be satisfied with a half assed muttering.
    I have a feeling they either dont know the words, or are secret devolutionists, face it there has to be a reason
    but no one will give a reason, so far, hmmmmm?
    I believe its time to select a Jock to the side and see if he also refuses, then we can assume it’s a Celtic plot, to diss. the UK, cause an uproar, which will bring the devolutionary agenda to the fore.
    This must not be allowed to happen.
    i suggest we play a number of Norn Iron players alongside the English contingent, we know where their loyalties lie, hell they dont call them loyalists for nowt (just make sure there’s no Geordies involved as i have heard rumor of their dissatisfaction) but we must ruthlessly stamp out this disloyalty before it reaches unmanageable proportions.

  33. chuck says:
    July 30, 2012 at 5:30 pm

    “Some say cream rises to the top, i say shit also floats.
    If one looks at the number of assholes who have been elected to positions of power, through the years, it’s astounding.
    From Hitler, to Berlosconi, Boris Johnson to George Bush.
    Mao tse tung to Pinochet, Mussolini to Mugabe.
    The list goes on and on”

    chuck, sometimes shit sinks too, depending on ones diet. Ever heard of “floaters” and “sinkers”? If you eat enough fibre, your stools will sink like the Bismarck and the Titanic, and will be about the same size too.

    Some of those gadgies weren’t elected at all, or were elected in highly dubious circumstances. You forgot to mention Mike Ashley’s current popularity ratings there too! ;-)

    The Welsh players are worried about getting stick from the Welsh if they join in.

    As you should know, Northern Ireland is divided between ultra loyal descendents of Scottish Presbyterians and not so loyal Irish Catholics, which was kind of the point of the “Troubles.” Martin McGuinness and Ian Paisley are called the “Chuckle Brothers” now though after laughing and joking with each other and McGuinness also met the Queen recently. My friend is of Ukrainian extraction and it is much the same there now, ie it’s divided between Ukrainian Ukrainians who despise Russia and Russian exports who are fiercely loyal to Mother Russia. It’s an old trick which has been practised for many centuries all over the world.

  34. GS @ 29

    ‘Sorry Kamar, sometimes the people elect big donkey dick idiots.’

    Don’t we know it, as we have just had a visit to our green and pleasant land by some hick country bumkin (with foot firmly in mouth) from over your way trying to pass himself off as a future American President, and failing miserably.

    BTW, our beloved Boris can stand for American President as he was born in New York. Now that would be interesting.

  35. I notice that there’s an extra £1 surcharge on away tickets for the coming season, on top of the £25 membership you have to purchase even if it’s just to buy one.

  37. GS, that second amendment thing you have over there is such a great idea. I wouldn’t let that Douglas gadgie have a gun in any country though after seeing the incident in the video above.

    Nicely back on topic now! :-)

  38. I feel sorry for Best. When we sold him I wondered if it wasn’t better to keep him as backup, then I thought about his injury record. He seems to be one of these players who is cursed.

    I will try to stay more on topic, I seem to have been veering off into polictics, the olympics, celebrity chefs and even sea hags.

  39. One last thing before I stick to football and NUFC (after all that is why I come on here).

    Do you think she might have got an incling that she wasn’t very popular or attractive when the locals referred to her “sea hag”?

  40. Dubvious character eh?
    “Big Doug” Hell! he’s exactly who we need a badass, like Vierra and other intimidators, a team that can’t be intimidated and who protect their flair players.
    With Douglas, Taylor and Colo, there’s going to be enough playing time to keep them fully involved.
    Wih guys like Douglas, Tiote, Taylor, we could use an additional FB who can play a physical game, Sissokho?
    A side that is not just skilled, but tough also, in other words a side not many relish playing against.

  42. GS says:
    July 30, 2012 at 11:37 pm

    “I heard Joey Barton is available Chuck and De Jong.”

    Touche, GS.

    Chuck, I think you are mistaking “badass” with “spoiled bairn.”

  43. OK, I am totally confused now. Read the 2nd to last paragraph of this article:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/30/andy-carroll-west-ham-liverpool

    I don’t really care if Carroll comes back or not. However, how can West Ham be paying higher wages than us?

    How can we have a “wage ceiling” that allows us to resign Coloccini and Jonas who were reportedly on very high wages and also sign Tiote to a long term deal when we are supposedly “lowballing” everybody on wages?

    Is it all bonuses? If so, why has Ashley dumped all of the bonus rebels from a few years ago like Nolan, Barton, Smith and supposedly Harper if he can get his way.

    This makes no sense to me. But then again, whatever does with NUFC.

  44. GS says:
    July 31, 2012 at 12:53 am

    “OK, I am totally confused now. Read the 2nd to last paragraph of this article:”

    GS, I think that West Ham have distanced themselves from those reports anyway.

  45. Thought this was suppose to be a NUFC site. Too many people talking trash on here trying to be smart.

  47. As a Norn Iron fan, we certainly know the words to the National Anthem at Windsor Park.
    Funny that? We didnt want to be in the Team GB football team(not Team UK for some reason!) but our players would have sang The Queen.
    The Welsh wanted in but cant be assed singing the UK’s National Anthem!!

  49. You know Workey, i doubt you have ever seen much of Douglas, but you have obviously read all of the negative stuff about him.
    It’s obviouse by your above article you dont think much of the guy.
    Your slanted piece, has obviously had it’s effect on those commenting, with most believing the guy is a total whack job.
    In fact as i stated above, i think he’s exactly what we need, a big physical player, who can terrorise both defenders in their box on set plays, plus have their attackers aware they are going to have to risk their bodies in our box.
    As of now our physical players are Tiote and to a lesser degree Saylor and Cabaye, the rest consider themselves flair players.
    Not only would Douglas be good for the side, I would also bring in Sissokho (Lyon Sissokho)who can play a physical game, in defence or midfield.
    Almost every pro sport has it’s enforcers, who protect their flair players and keep opposing players heads up.
    And i got no problem with De Jong, it’s no secret he is on the pitch for both his footballing ability and willingness to play a physical game.
    What exactly are you looking for in a CD ?
    For the most part it’s advantagious to be big and most play a physical game, guess you must prefer someone like Williamson whom you have praised, though big is poor in the air (never scored a goal from the opposition box yet)and never hit anyone yet, it’s difficult when you are on your ass half the time.
    It’s obvious we at present are lacking a physical presence other than Tiote.
    Sure Saylor was throwing his body around prior to getting injured, but he’s got to get back up to speed and try to avoid further injury, in which case Douglas would be the perfect answer.
    We are not just looking for nice guys here, we need a certain physicality in the side and he fits the bill.
    Did we not have a certain full back named phsyco not too long ago and have we not had our share of so called whack jobs, just names, but for the most part merely physical players who are not afraid of putting their bodies on the line.

  51. Belfast Toon
    Yer, funny old game innit, the Loyalists are willing to sing, but not to play and the Taffs are willing to play, but refuse to sing.
    What i want to know is where do the Jocks stand on the issue?
    Or come to think of it “The Geordie Naton” ?

  52. It’s close to the end of the Ba deadline, has it not accured to anyone else, why there have been no bids up until this time.
    With Blackburn, Spurs and others looking at strikers, how come no one so far seems willing to take a chance on him?
    What is it £7.5m. for a proven striker.
    Guess if no one calls, we can re-negotiate his contract, getting rid of the release clause.
    Though i’m sure some of our fans are still interested in
    bringing Carroll back if Ba were to go.
    Carroll still a Liverpool player (who states he wants to stay and prove himself) i believe, wants desperately to return to NUFC, when one reads between the lines.
    Unfortunately his asking price will not allow that to happen, nor will his present wages.
    He’s between a rock and a hard place, obviously misshandled by Dalglish and unwanted by Rodgers, he certainly does’nt appear keen on going to the Hammers.
    Ah well, his dellema is partially his own fault, but after all he has made it to the English national squad and is’nt exactly chopped liver so to speak, but young with a future ahead of him, even if not at the club of his choice.

  53. Chuck @ 49: I think you’ve overstated this a bit. We’re are quite capable of thinking for themselves and the video speaks louder than worky. Most players have no problem going an entire pro career without putting on a show like that. It is worrisome-kinda like when Mancini admitted that his worries about Balotelli being sent off limited the playing time he got. What, did Mancini just read all the bad press about Balotelli? Of course not, he saw him acting like a nutjob with his own eyes.

    That said, I agree with you about edge and Vieira is a good player to cite, as would be Keano. And Tiote, of course. Colo is skillful and understands how to defend but he doesn’t have a presence that makes guys think before they even go in against him. Big Doug would make you think twice.

    What worries me more about him is his supposedly Tevez-esque relationship with his owners, er, agents. That there might be more trouble than it’s worth.

  54. Chuck @50: I think they may be referring to me even though I am not a Yank. I admitted before Gary said something that I had been going off topic, but that was usually in the middle of the night UK time when only Worky and you are around. Bugger it, it is the off season and I was only trying to keep a conversation going.

    On Douglas, you make some good points. It would be nice to have a physical presence along side Coloccini as long as he is not a nutter. The only game I have seen him in was a Champions League match where him and the whole Twente defense had a nightmare. I am saying I am not qualified to make a judgement but I know Worky watches a lot of the Dutch league, so I would say his opinion is useful, plus there are a few that get on here who live in Holland.

    My last thing is that people like Gary coming on and making negative comments and calling people names adds nothing. If you don’t like what I say, just scroll through it. Pretty simple really :)

  55. The other thing about this off season is that every “transfer target” except Luuk De Jong is still at their club so the speculation seems to drag on forever. After a month or so, there is not much more to say.

    I know, Junior Hoillet :) But I don’t think we were ever serious about him.

    I am surprised Gamiero hasn’t come up after PSG got Ibra.

  56. Nope, we were never in for Hoilett. I’m guessing he wanted a London club, hoped for Arsenal or Spurs but settled for QPR. It’s hard to believe our front office wouldn’t have kicked the tires. He’s on a free. Even if you have to give him somewhat-over-the-odds wages, it would still likely cost less than the combined wages and fee for a comparable player under contract. And I’d rather have Hoilett than, say, Babel (though I’d take the latter at this point).

    I’d guess that Gameiro hasn’t been linked because after spunking all that cash on Ibra (probably worth it) and Silva (good but overrated; you could probably get Hummels for half his fee), they’re going to want stupid money for anyone they sell.

  57. See what you just gone n done Woikey, no ?
    Well you just suceeded in demonizing a possibly future player for the side.
    Both GS & tunc are normally pretty smart guys (well GS like myself gets bored somtimes and gets a bit whack, but dont we all)
    But obviously you have convinced them he is a total maniac, giving them reservations about his suitability for the side.
    And i get stick for saying a player you claim as decent (Williamson) is pants, even when most fans admit it, the best anyone apart from yourself has called him is a usefull squad player or something like that.
    Faint praise indeed!
    But then not all of us see alike and it’s clear that the man who’s abilities you have praised (a certain Mr. Carr) is in direct disagreement with you on this player.
    But then none of us get it right all of the time.

  58. chuck says:
    July 31, 2012 at 11:16 am

    “You know Workey, i doubt you have ever seen much of Douglas, but you have obviously read all of the negative stuff about him.
    It’s obviouse by your above article you dont think much of the guy.
    Your slanted piece, has obviously had it’s effect on those commenting, with most believing the guy is a total whack job.”

    Chuck, I’ve seen more of him than you have. Douglas has picked up nine suspensions since April 2009, five for red cards, so we’ll probably end up playing with 10 men more often. As I wrote, he makes Joey Barton look like Kofi Annan.

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/douglas/profil/spieler_64590.html

  59. Who are the alternatives to Douglas? I haven’t seen us linked to any central defenders except that Ashley Whatshisname from Swansea who is 27 and played most of his career in the lower leagues – Williamson Mark 2.

  60. tuncy sez
    i’m guessing he wanted a London club……
    (Jr Hoilett)
    What smart player would’nt, unless he got an offer he could’nt refuse, from say Citeh !
    But though it has the rep of raining there a lot aint a bad town.(Manchester)
    I think in the case of Hoilett , he just wanted to get paid according to his abilities (not on offer at NUFC)and Fernandez is investing quite a bit of dosh into QPR i suspect he wants to be a permanent member of the PL, why not, it’s where the money is.
    Perhaps he may rename the ground “Formula One Park” but i think not.

  61. workyticket says:
    July 31, 2012 at 3:26 pm

    “As I wrote, he makes Joey Barton look like Kofi Annan.”

    Having written that, I’m quite sure that Joey Barton could do a better job of keeping the peace in Syria than Kofi Annan is at the moment.

  62. Not whack Chuck, but yes, bored. I know I have to look for a job at some point but the words of Morrissey keep coming up “I was looking for a job and then I found a job, and heaven knows I am miserable now”.

    How about getting Bassong back? He was frozen out by ‘Arry like a lot of others at Spurs. He always seemed decent for us.

  63. My problem with QPR is that they have always been a small club in a big city. Their players are a bunch of misfits, so I have no idea why Hoilett would go there.

  64. WOIKEY
    Face it you have no clue as to how many times i have seen Douglas play, can you notjust say i think i have probably seen him play more often.
    Have you also seen him play more often than Carr, our chief scout and is he not the one who recomends Douglas?
    Are you also contradicting his judgement on Douglas, not to mention demonizing him before he even gets here.
    And by the way i would have De Jong here at NUFC if possible also, yeah that DeJong and actually was sorry to see Joey go.
    Both are good players, dont you think ?

  65. Workey
    Five reds in four years, that aint so bad, for a baddass CD, with four other suspensions for accumulated yellows.
    I would insist on at least that many if i were his manager, shows he’s doing his job , by putting his body about.
    You make it sound like he’s out every other week.

  66. Chuck: you are getting youself worked up today. Douglas doesn’t matter until and if we sign him. Joey Barton is not worth the trouble.

    Why worry and argue about players we might sign. Half of the ones that we are linked with I don’t even know who the hell they are and then we sign others that I have never heard of – Tiote, Cabaye, Santon, Coloccini, Bassong, Martins, Williamson, Best, Krul, Nzog, Marveaux, Amalfatino, Simpson, etc.

  67. Worky: I know you will say that my comment @66 proves my ignorance, but honestly, I really only follow the premier league and see ONLY the top teams from Spain, Italy and Germany. They are the ones they show every week over here.

  68. GS says:
    July 31, 2012 at 4:13 pm

    “Chuck: you are getting youself worked up today.”

    The nurse has obviously forgotten his medication again.

  69. What I don’t get is that on every NUFC website, whenever anybody picks a team, Jonas is not included. And yet, he plays every game when fit (which he is almost always) or not suspended.

    I know I have said this before, but you can’t have a team of just Ben Arfas. Players like Jonas allow Ben Arfa to play.

    There, that’s my grumpy rant done for today :)

  70. GS
    Just a bit bored, but i am concerned as to who we bring in and see in Douglas or Tex., the opportunity to bring in a hard hitting CD tall and good in the air, something we dont have at present.
    Who knows if Saylor will last the seasn and we still need more defensive help, we can get by on midfielders and up front, but succesful teams usually build from the back.

  71. Chuck: can you suggest a central defender we should look at though? We are all dogs chasing our tails on these websites, but I would seriously be interested to hear who you think we should look at and can afford.

    I am contradicting myself, but whatever, what else do I have to do!

  72. Actually i’m not on any medication, though some say i should be, nothing other than herbal stuff.
    Having read a number of disclaimers attatched to most medications, i will take my chances without them.

  73. And please let us get off to a good start to the season. If we don’t Ashley will hire F2cking ‘Arry Rednapp.

  74. I would’nt be adverse to bringing back Bassong, a decent enough player, plus we could get a two-fer, in Lyons Sissikho, plays attacking wingback or midfielder.
    But I would be happy enough to see both Debuchy and Douglas arrive and if we are very lucky Sissokho in addition.

  76. Was wondering does Arry carry his own interpreter wiv im ?
    I can only imagine what certain players must think, when attempting to understand what he’s on abaht, especially those who’s English is tentative at best.

  79. Curtis Good has signed 6-year deal, good lad, hope he raises the level of development and fight Tavernier for 1st team spot on the bench alongside Willo.

    Do people reckon we’ll still be trying to bring in another, more senior, CB?

    I’m not sure we will, possibly a new RB/LB…but likely with simmo leaving in the event.

    And what with Biri/Abeid/Gosling/Vuckic/Sammy/Marv pressing for midfield roles, thing could be winding up now.

    I’d love to see a new young striker, about the £5m mark, sort of a Shane Long type, someone who offers a different sub option to the strength of Shola.

  81. Cant see Long coming, and while he impressed early season, he also guffed up a few golden chances.

    Jordan Rhodes would be good, maybe…Maynard went somewhere else in the end…

    My guess is they’d not have played in England before – the PL dazzle seems to be a carrot we like to dangle.

  82. Should I just change my username to “usefull [sic] squad player”? lol…

    Worky-how many times has Tiote been suspended in the same time frame?

    Funny to see people doing the same thing with their expectations of Good and Bigirimana as they did with Abeid. They’re not first-team additions for the new season. The only player we’ve signed potentially for the first team now is Amalfitano and even he will be battling the likes of Obertan and Gosling for time on the pitch.

    Tick-tock

  83. Doubt we’ll spend 2X on Long what it would’ve taken to get him in the first place now that he’s a year older and has had an injury in the interim.

  84. Hopefully once Dembas clause expires it will mean we know what’s what. cant help tginking Ashley has been hedging his bets a bit more than usual. I just hope it doesn’t mean there is less dough to play with (when he stays ;-) ). The transfer method we’ve employed is an interesting one as it unsettles players. Then if they show a real will to join the club the game continues but if not ( De Jong )then the game is up. Douglas has sort of done both but maybe Pards et al are confident he wants to join. I will feel rather sorry for Debuchy (aswell as the toon) if we fail to secure his sevices.

  85. tunyc says:
    July 31, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “Funny to see people doing the same thing with their expectations of Good and Bigirimana as they did with Abeid. They’re not first-team additions for the new season. The only player we’ve signed potentially for the first team now is Amalfitano and even he will be battling the likes of Obertan and Gosling for time on the pitch.

    Tick-tock”

    Agreed. Just read we have only hours now to up the bid for that Lille fella who plays right-back… Can’t remember his name as it’s not been mentioned much in the media…

    Anyway, apparently we offered 6 million Euros, and they want 8 million Euros… I dunno anymore, for the sake of 2 million pay it, it’s a steal at that price still… BUT of course it could be just media BS. Though we seem to like bidding stupidly low for players and not raising, then signing an alternative for cheaper. Sometimes it works, but we could miss out big time especially if Inter Milan decide to get stuck in.

    18 days till kick off and we still need around three senior players.

  86. Jimbob says:
    July 31, 2012 at 10:11 pm

    “Anyway, apparently we offered 6 million Euros, and they want 8 million Euros… I dunno anymore, for the sake of 2 million pay it, it’s a steal at that price still… BUT of course it could be just media BS.”

    Jimbob, I’ve spent a hell of alot of time checking this out and still, the only bid which has been substantiated in any way, rather than some dodgy hack just saying that “it is suggested” or “it is understood” is a bid for €5 million, or just under £4 million. If you recall, it was the same with Cisse too. Everyone was saying that we bid (and won) him for £10 million when the only substantiated one was for £7.5 (roughly) rising to a possible £9 million. That was the one which was correct.

    It is possible that the bid is €5 million, ptentially rising to €6 million, but again, there’s nothing real to substantiate it. As I’ve written before, he’s worth up to £10 million now.

  87. tunyc says:
    July 31, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “Worky-how many times has Tiote been suspended in the same time frame?”

    Three times at Twente plus his suspensions at Newcastle (is it three?). Most of Tiote’s have been shorter one game suspensions for accumulated yellows or two yellow in one game though, whereas most of Douglas’s have been three game suspensions for straight reds.

  88. tunyc says:
    July 31, 2012 at 7:38 pm

    “Funny to see people doing the same thing with their expectations of Good and Bigirimana as they did with Abeid. They’re not first-team additions for the new season. The only player we’ve signed potentially for the first team now is Amalfitano and even he will be battling the likes of Obertan and Gosling for time on the pitch.”

    tunyc, like Bigirimana and Abeid, Amalfitano is still to play at the highest level. Reims were a Ligue 2 side and Pardew stated himself that Amalfitano was another one more for the future than the present.

  89. Sammy J says:
    July 31, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “Hopefully once Dembas clause expires it”

    Who was the original source who revealed that Demba Ba’s alleged release clause of £7 million expires at the end of today?

  90. @89

    Good question. I thought I’d seen an actual quote from Pardew talking about it but looking back I cannot find a credited source but its being very widely reported! This strikes me as very last journalism. Never been a fan of “a source close to the club” stuff & yet have been sucked in by this one. Some are even suggesting it will increase to 15

    http://www.thefootballsocial.co.uk/newcastle_united/demba_ba/

    @BackPage: Demba Ba’s release clause is
    raised, if it isn’t triggered in the next 132
    minutes, to £15mil. #NUFC

  91. With Twitter and so many Blogs now it seems that made-up stuff gets repeated so often that people start to believe it.

  92. GS says:
    August 1, 2012 at 1:52 am

    “With Twitter and so many Blogs now it seems that made-up stuff gets repeated so often that people start to believe it.”

    GS (and Sammy J), it’s so called journalists who usually start it, and they also copy each other. Then, bloggers and microbloggers who just copy and paste their stories from the major organs of the media do it it all again without any critical examination or basic checking. Then, eventually, it becomes fact.

  93. Worky: even though it is the middle of the night I have to stick to NUFC, otherwise the tangent police will be on my tail. It is your blog, you can delete comments right, if they are offensive or boring?

    My opinion is that for a blog to work, people should share some things about themselves to develop a sense of community. And not a “banter” community if you know what I mean. It was interesting what Porciestreet was saying about seeing old Motown groups in the Toon back in the day, for example.

    Anyway, I have said I know next to nowt about Douglas, and now I know a little bit more by coming on here.

  94. GS says:
    August 1, 2012 at 3:05 am

    “Worky: even though it is the middle of the night I have to stick to NUFC”

    Not necessarily, GS, I certainly veer of that at times.

    I agree with you about a sense of community and all that, and that the word “banter” can become something of an excuse for offensive and boorish drivel.

  95. A sence of community ?
    What does that mean ?
    More personal involvement?
    Less Football?
    A lonely hearts club?
    Less boorish behavior ?
    An arbritator who decides what is boorish ?
    More sick dog accounts ?
    Less advertising of a certain beer ?
    Weather reports ?
    History lessons?
    Political statements?
    Architectural and city planning, criticism?
    Demonization of players, Douglas? Williamson?
    Andy Carroll?.
    Hell one could write a list !

  96. Nah !
    Less is more, in the sence of community.
    Nothing wrong with banter, it’s actually the real reason for blogs, a differing of opinions (boorishless if possible)but these blogs would lose their intended purpose, without banter.
    Now, i am in favor of humor, see it also as an essential part.
    On who and what to ban? hell we gotta ban sumthin, everyone needs rules like ?
    No rules, a blog with an anarchistic bent, (actually this blog has almost morphed into that already)
    Where anyone can make a statement, whether PC or not, this way we can find out who’s who, then ban those who are boring, cause thats what kills blogs, bores.
    (Yeah i know, i could be first)
    But definately no dog stories and no tearful remeniscence about Tyneside, puhleez!
    Those located in different time zones will be expected to contribute as if we were all in the same zone, in order to keep WORKEY up all night and give others something to dispute.
    And some of you are going to have to give WORKEY a hand, after all he’s only human (as far as we know) and needs his rest.
    I would do it myself if i werent retired and take retirement serious.
    Everyone got it ?
    There will be a quiz, so do pay attention.

  97. Whats the lates on Debuchy and big “Tex” (Texiera)?
    Rumor of Carvalho coming from RM, great player, now around 34.
    Would be a great back up CD, if given a limited role due to his age.
    Watched him often when he was with Chelsea, one of the smartest defenders i ever watched, made defending look simple, by his positional awareness, decent in the air and was always in shape.
    It’s unlikely we will sign him due to Ashleys policies, which i dont agree with.
    Hell there are veterans who can still play, Scharner ,Carvelho, etc.who can be an asset to any side, not pencilled in each week, but as horses for courses.
    I would like to see Carvalho as a backup CD, think he would be both a bargain and possibly beter than what we have.
    Certainly better than Williamson, but that would,nt be difficult>

  98. Where is Xisco and what has he done to be excluded from preseason friendlies? The club pays his wages. You would think they would require him to train, even if he is in a strop.

  99. Chuck: no more dog stories! Sometimes it is the beer talking and that was a unique case where I got hammered on purpose.

    Even I try to stick to NUFC as a topic but sometimes a subject just takes on a life of its own – like your two long posts on this subject :) I hope you recognize that some of the other stuff from me is very tongue in cheek and a usually failing attempt at humour.

  100. Oh, and Chuck after reading you on this blog for I while, I usually know how you will react on most issues. Except on certain days where you become Bizarro World Chuck and become a wide-eyed optimist.

  101. Chuck @95/6, remember when you described in great detail the lunch you had had at the pub? ;)

  102. Newcastle are 7 to 1 to finish in the top 4 this season. With the Manchesters, Chelsea and Arsenal all recruiting, I think I would want at least 10s.

  103. There’s yet another story of complete and utter drivel being syndicated amongst the bookie sites about Debuchy. It says that the only thing holding up a deal is a row over bonuses, with more incorrect figures being bandied about. Newcastle United’s bid, with or without bonuses is still millions short of the player’s true value, and Lille are now on the verge of kicking the deal into touch if the club don’t make a realistic offer soon.

  105. If we really wanted him we’d have him by now Worky. Pardew spoke about Hoillet didn’t he saying it was something to keep an eye on. Didn’t even try for him and QPR got a bargain.

    Getting bored, going mental…

  107. Surely the local journos such as Ryder and Douglas should be on top of these things…

    Believe nothing till he’s in the shirt.

  108. EXCLUSIVE BREAKING NEWS!!!! As of yesterday afternoon, bid for Debuchy still under £4 million and Lille not interested in the slightest as they’re looking for something like double that, which is still realistic. They’re also sick to death of Newcastle and ready to pick up their toys and walk off. That comes from Lille themselves.

  109. Jimbob says:
    August 1, 2012 at 7:20 pm

    “Surely the local journos such as Ryder and Douglas should be on top of these things…”

    Jimbob, you just described Lee Ryder and Mark Douglas as journalists.

  110. Yeah feel a bit sick now Worky.

    In actual real happening / happened news… Our youth academy is only category 2. How does that happen to a club the size and stature of us. No BS about the club being in transition, Mike Ashley is the man he’s sorting it etc, it’s unacceptable.

    Don’t youth coaches find Mike’s probable £6.08 per hour acceptable? That might explain it.

  111. Jimbob says:
    August 1, 2012 at 7:50 pm

    “In actual real happening / happened news… Our youth academy is only category 2.”

    “We do not want to put prices up. People might say we have put membership up on the season tickets.

    “But that is going straight into the Academy. It was discounted for the first year but that is going into the Academy because we need to find the money from somewhere.” – Derek Llambias.

    That Debuchy bid I mentioned above could possibly be up to 6 million euros (just under £5 million) including bonuses BTW, but it’s academic because it’s still miles away anyway.

  112. Shocking if the club has bollox’d that Debuchy deal.shocking.offer half decent atleast.ahh well thats another top player missed out on again!!!
    Another top player just went to villa the,Vlaar..think he was a bargin at £3m n will do well imo.

  113. jack72 says:
    August 2, 2012 at 3:51 am

    “Shocking if the club has bollox’d that Debuchy deal.shocking.”

    Jack, do you remember when Keegan said of Ashley and Llambias:

    “You try and sign a player – I had a phone call for about an hour to buy a player. After I went off the phone thay had another conference call together and said ‘right, we don’t offer two million, we offer one million. They’ll reject it, that’s it.'”