Don’t let the door hit you on the Jonas as you leave!

Posted on November 1st, 2009 | 44 Comments |

Spinning his web elsewhere?
Spinning his web elsewhere?
According to press speculation, Newcastle midfielder Jonas Gutierrez, is preparing for a move away from St James’ Park (or whatever it might be called by then). As the January transfer window looms, we will inevitably watch with wary eyes, as the likelihood of some departures is high, but the subjects still unknown. It seems like the Argentinian is the first our big-name and high-salaried players to sound out suitors, following rumours of interest from Roma.

Despite sticking around and working gallantly (?) as a regular starter for Hughton in the second tier, while other big names deserted us, it seems now he too is ‘ready for a new challenge’. His agent, Pedro Jimenez-Bravo, is quoted by The People as saying:

“We know European clubs are interested.

“We have held meetings with Newcastle but there is an option for the player to leave – although it must be a good offer.”

I think most regular contributors to the blog, will know my feelings on Gutierrez. While I acknowledge he gets a sweat on, I feel much of this is down to ‘being seen to get a sweat on’ and he actually does a lot of his hard work at the wrong times. As for his ability, you will hear a lot of fans talking about flattering to deceive and the phrase is made for Jonas. Doing the simple thing and making the ball do the work are often alien to him. I know people argue he works well with Enrique, but I genuinely feel Enrique makes him look a better player.

For someone who caused a stir off the pitch because of the nature of his signing, he’s been singularly disappointing on it, for all of our expectations. He doesn’t create enough, he doesn’t score enough and other than winning free-kicks on the halfway line when he’s invariably got into a tangle by holding on to the ball too long before throwing himself on the floor, he’s not contributing an awful lot this season. If he now wants to leave, then I say pick up a few million and say thanks and good luck Spiderman, hope the next lot get to see that mask a bit more than we did. Of course, if I’m wrong and he really wants to say then get your head down and start proving us (me) wrong.

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  1. Must admit I always thought Jonas would come good, but I wouldn’t cry too much if he goes and we get a good price for him.

  2. No arguments from me.

    I’d much rather he’d gone to Fulham rather than Duff.

    According to the opta stats, the only thing gutierrez was good for last year was winning fouls.

    Ian

  3. As I said on the other blog

    There are many reasons why Jonas hasn’t lived up to his early form, first of all Keegan was a ‘proper’ manager who knew how to play football, who had the team organized and motivated unlike Kinnear, Hughton and Shearer. Jonas played well under Keegan because we actually played decent football as a team, under the other 3 managers we turned to the long ball tactic which never works out and resorted to ‘ugly football’ and naturally his form dipped. If he joins Roma or any other stable team unlike us he will do well for them and show how good a player he is. Even though I would love him to stay a transfer would be best for him if he doesn’t want Newcastle to ruin his career any further.

  4. i feel that if he could dtrike a ball properly he would be world class but he cant and isnt unfortunately though i will think fondly of him because he at least tried

    the question is if he goes then where does that leave us in terms of wingere

  5. Sure whats the big deal we can get shot of him and maybe get a few quid we can easily replace him with ????? am a I know Butt or Geremi or maybe Ma will let CH replace him with a am a short term loanee ;) sorted. I agree with T-F put him into a class team and he will be a cracker,

  7. Hughtons incoming players have all been ordinary and i just cant see him bringing any quality players in in January, partly cos he wont be allowed to and partly cos by their own admission they are scrounging around trying to borrow players.
    Jonas can be frustrating but he can also open teams up on his day and sadly, any cash received will disappear and will not be available for team strengthening.

  8. Yeah , have to agree in general with the blog, face it the guy is no Solano or Robert.
    Disagree with Toon_factor, an anti Hughton dig with no truth in reality, or perhaps an unreal perception.
    Watched to-days Brum. vs. Citeh game, not so sure Citeh are good enough to challenge yet.
    Though Shay (he can`t marshal his defense- does`nt defend well against set pieces- hoofs it up the pitch) made some outstanding saves, one a penalty, as did our ex big mouth little Welshman, a handfull for any defense.
    And yeah would prefer either Duff or N`Zog. to Jonas, at least they had a finished product.

  9. A player playing out of position for us, who never complains, who puts in 110% every game, who has a static(Ranger aside) front line, and midfield (last year) that did not get to the box to create an option or space. Shearer himself made the point about our other players not backing him up and not making runs to support his play.

    Another negative doom laden thread….it goes on and on and on…..god this blogs become hate filled. I thought we were meant to be supporters.

  11. Stardust, that’s a bit strong. Everyone has their favourite players and ones they don’t like so much.

    Surely this sort of thing is standard football blog material isn’t it?

    And perhaps we can disagree whilst discussing the pros and cons of players without it being cast as ‘hate-filled’ can’t we?

  12. Troy Stavers @ 6 and Stardust @ 9

    Are you the same person?

    Chuck

    “Disagree with Toon_factor, an anti Hughton dig with no truth in reality, or perhaps an unreal perception.”

    Are you really as thick as you make yourself out to be, Chuck?

  14. Worky > didn’t ye hate wor Stevie Tayla until recently?
    TBF I know lots of people on blogs that hated Taylor until last year.
    Stardust > Shearer himself made the point about our other players not backing him up and not making runs to support his play
    Your right and King Kev rated him and had him ripping manure apert aswell so he has to be good ;)

  15. Stardust doesn’t rate Carroll either and you’re right worky positively loathed Stevie Taylor for his ‘local boy adulation’. Seemed a tad unfair and too easy to turn it on him though.

    So I’ll just continue in the same vein, I am hate-filled and I seek to destroy the thing I love from the inside because that’s the mob motto!! 8O

    There I’ve saved you the trouble!

    And all for the audacity to be critical and care about my club. How dare I!!

    And when exactly did he play out of position?

  16. If we got a good offer for him then i’d let him go, there are players out there who will come in and have more of an impact.

    Usually when you have a skillful, attacking player you have to get them to work on their tracking back and their workrate, Ginola and Robert being prime examples, however Jonas is the opposite, he has the workrate but no end product. I disagree with Stardust about players not getting up to support him, yes that happens sometimes but there is many a time there are players to pick out but his passes or crosses have been terrible.

    I’d rather have an attacking midfielder that has the passing, dribbling, crossings skills straight away and then work on his workrate/tracking back. A player in his position needs to influence goals more.

  17. Worky – me? noooo lol.

    Its the fact that certain types have a glass 1/20 full at the moment – I get sick of reading it.

    Hugh – I agree with your sentiments – but this thread will appear on News Now – and be read all over the world.

    What kind of hate filled fans do we appear to be – dedicating a negative thread to a hard working honest pro. The discussions we have are usually over a pint – you would never choose to spread that over the world. BBM though appears to think its acceptable.

  19. Stardust – we’re a blog though. And this is our place to have a metaphorical beer. Read the ‘about us’ piece on the site. You have to buy your own though as it states. Maybe for all the grief you’re giving me you can buy me one while you’re at it.

    Rather than just copy and paste a news story, I’ve given my personal slant on it. It’s how I regard him. If people read it, they’ll either agree or disagree. I’m sure the percentage will be fairly small for those that consider me hate-filled for having an opinion on him.

    If he reads it, perhaps it’ll inspire him? ;)

    Why is he being played out of position anyway as you said?

  20. As I said BBM – its not the opinion I criticise – its the “Don’t let the door hit you on the Jonas as you leave!” I object to.

    Grossly unfair in my opinion – when we had players hiding left right and centre over the last few years on huge salaries, the slate one who at least tried with a cheap – dare I say it “Edline” is poor form.

    You might criticise a great deal about him but you can never criticise his endeavour. I personally think he is a very good player not made the most of at NUFC. He will be another who goes on to far greater things when he leaves – funny just how many players do that isnt it…..wonder why.

  21. Stardust says: “He will be another who goes on to far greater things when he leaves – funny just how many players do that isnt it…..wonder why.”

    I’ll hazard a guess if you like. Is it to do with the hate-filled mob that Toon supporters have become?

  23. Stardust – now here’s a quandary….

    Assuming it’s not the ‘hate-filled mob’ angle again, then perhaps it’s the managers who aren’t getting the potential out of them? Which possibly puts you in the difficult position of agreeing with what T_F said earlier. That the much-maligned Keegan seemed to get the best out of him, while the others have struggled?

    I genuinely think you read too much into the effect the fans have on the players overall. It’s all about the players and the manager as a general rule. If NUFC haven’t got the best out of the player, it’s usually either because the player wasn’t that interested or the manager wasn’t able to.

    That’s my take on things. As such, my ‘Edline’ was a genuinely light-hearted nod at the fickle nature of football fans and players. He will go onto new pastures and forget all about us and we will do pretty much the same of him. Possibly both he and the fans will remember fondly his debut at Old Trafford and think if only he’d kept that up!

  24. @ Stardust

    Stardust were you bullied at school by a group of boys (or maybe girls)?

    That’s a serious question by the way, if you were then i’d understand this fear of loud shouting crowds or the “mob” as you call them, perhaps you feel threatned by this behaviour as it reminds you of those bullies in your childhood. ;)

  25. BBM > Possibly both he and the fans will remember fondly his debut at Old Trafford and think if only he’d kept that up!
    I think he would have kept it up if KK had of stayed ;)

  27. Have you noticed he is missing again Dave? lol – bet he is nervous – Danyl to go for me – much to Battys relief lol.

  28. utter tosh by stardust again. No one doubts his work rate but his contribution to over all play is non existent.
    I ve known a winger not having the ability to cross a ball, shoot or score one goal in 18 months.
    Stardust, not a day goes by without you embarrassing yourself. You absolute creep!

  29. Toon_factor,
    Dunno, not for me to decide ! possibly.

    On Jonas, appeares to be more about perspiration than imagination.
    Though he did track back, possibly the best part of his game.
    Could it be he was better suited to a different position,
    like our converted center-forward Smith, who is doing fairly well as an on the job training sweeper.
    On wingers.
    Ah! but Nobby was great, just as good a defender as an attacker, great player, Robert!, Sir Bobby gave up on his tracking back, he realized what his worth was as an attacker.
    But the best of them all was the great Bobby Mitchell
    Uh who ?

  30. Jonas Gutierrez: flamboyant, energetic, dramatic…..but ultimately pointless, no wonder Stardust is a fan!

    He’s a tale full of sound and fury signifying nothing. Watching him terrorise Man Utd on the opening day of last season I remember being dazzled by him; thinking…this guy’s really got something. How many times since have we groaned as he hit the floor? He was last seasons most fouled player, great stat but being on the deck means your run didn’t go anywhere. How many times have we seen him take one touch too many and lose the ball? How many times have we screamed as another of his deliveries finds an opposition player…or row Z?

    He promises much but delivers little. A wide man who cannot cross, a forward who can’t score…take your pick. Aside from the physical space he occupies as a part of the squad he’s neither use nor ornament.

    Chalk up one more fabulous waste of money for the Toon. He will not be missed…anyone daft enough to offer £6m should have their arm snatched off.

  31. Every time I look at Stardust’s Avatar, I am reminded of Lord Westwood – the last one eyed person to have an interest in United….

    In those days we used to chant “sack the Board” and “Westwood is a pirate” – but of course we were just working class supporters and it went no further than that…we ate our peanuts, drank our bovril, and went home.

    These days, we’ve got a trumped up one eyed accounts clerk trying to tell us we’re a mob LOL Would have loved you to try that in the Leazes end in the 60’s you cretin……

    How times change

  32. Tino 11 says:
    November 1, 2009 at 7:42 pm
    @ Stardust

    Stardust were you bullied at school by a group of boys (or maybe girls)?

    ———————————

    Girls, I think….

    small ones…..

    ;)

  33. UTD111 says:
    November 1, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    “These days, we’ve got a trumped up one eyed accounts clerk trying to tell us we’re a mob LOL”

    UTD111, It may not be such a brilliant idea to keep up with the endless accountant cracks about Stardust. Your chain was being well and truly pulled there. ;-)

  34. workyticket says:
    November 1, 2009 at 9:28 pm
    UTD111 says:
    November 1, 2009 at 9:16 pm

    “These days, we’ve got a trumped up one eyed accounts clerk trying to tell us we’re a mob LOL”

    UTD111, It may not be such a brilliant idea to keep up with the endless accountant cracks about Stardust. Your chain was being well and truly pulled there.

    —————————————–

    Who mentioned Stardust?

  35. Amazing how you always do this “Stardust Defence” thing Worky……

    And a bit suspicious…but of course not from me, cough

    The thrust of my post was about Lord Westwood…

    And of course, as you know, my comment about accounts clerks, finance consultants or boring arseholes can be taken with a pinch of salt :)

  36. Worky – I was quite happy to let the dog bark lol.

    UTD111 – here boy – go fetch the stick….

  40. On a serious note though, Stardust – just how many identities do you have on this Blog and on Eds? _ reckon 4 on here and 56 on Eds??

  41. Just the one – ask Worky no doubt he can check from my cookies or something – I rarely venture onto Eds now – I only ever had Billy Bunter but Batty killed him.

    Wor Donna was gutted.

  43. Absolute cr*p, we NEED Jonas, we have no other wingers…people on here were saying Duff was useless (fair enough he was last season) but see him go for Fulham. We don’t need rid of Jonas, we need rid of Hughton….get a MANAGER and get a right winger with pace who can deliver.

    Without Jonas we’ll be very lucky to make the playoffs (Hughton wil simply play Butt in his place…which he already has done this season)

    2-1 to us vs SU tomoz!