Alan Shearer – Gis a job?

Posted on June 16th, 2009 | 89 Comments |

A place for wor Al with new owners?
A place for wor Al with new owners?
Finally, it would seem we have something we can get our teeth into…

Reports on Sky Sports News are telling us that all current buyers will be given an opportunity to confirm they would be happy with Alan Shearer as manager going forward, should they be successful in their attempts to buy the club. If the vote is unanimous in it’s approval then it’s implied that he would be given the job asap. Quite whether that would be on the basis of a rolling contract or a permanent contract that could be agree by all parties, remains to be seen.

“There could be some movement regarding Alan Shearer at the end of this week or early next week,” Llambias told Journal Live.

“The data room will be open on Wednesday, which will allow the groups who have proved they have the money to buy the club to look at the books. Nobody has been able to do that yet because the data room hasn’t been opened.

Newcastle United's data doom, yesterday
Newcastle United's data room, yesterday
“We will not be making any decision on Alan as manager, that is not up to us, that is down to the groups who are buying the club.

“If they want to appoint him, then it’s up to them. We will speak to them about it. If they do want Alan then something could be done in the next few days. That’s where we are at this stage and everything is ongoing.”

It seems we’re still in that paradox that we want timely decisions but we also want the right decisions. Alan Shearer is not supported by the stats of the last eight games of the season. But it would seem the feeling amongst the majority is that while he is not the only way to go, he is most definitely a viable and popular option. He has the right credentials, connections and ambitions for the job if not the most fantastic immediate track record. Many supporters were a little surprised by his failure to bring the best out of our failing squad and prevention of the drop. But personally I’d suggest that says more about our plight than it does about his abilities as a manager. I think he has enough about him to consolidate next season, get to grips with the reality of management and kick on from there.

Does the fact he’s a Geordie legend make it any more exciting? Of course it does, don’t ask me to explain it, it’s just the slightly emotive and irrational behaviours of a football fan. I’m confident that taking all that aside, he can still do the job. It just seems more fitting that he’s a messiah!…… ;-)

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  1. To be fair to them – to be in a position to move on now with the dataroom and confirmed proof of funds after such a short time is very impressive, luckily we went through the process last year and no doubt it was just a matter of bringing the documentation up to date – the end of year results being due.

    I keep on swinging between Shearer and not wanting him, I feel the biggest problem we have is the fans wanting instant success. id be happy for a slower build over time, as long as we win the Campionship this year and Premier League next.

  2. stardust
    the best thing about shearer is the fans will give him time yes he is inexperienced but i feel eventually he could become a realy good manager he isnt my first choice but id be happy for him to come

  3. Im just not sure beye, I feel it again panders to the fans that they know best, its a dangerous appointment, I like what I have seen so far, but I want stability, the only thing left to stabilise is expectations.

  4. beyethegreat says:
    June 16, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    “stardust
    the best thing about shearer is the fans will give him time”

    That’s the essence of our problem though, Beye. We’re trying to avoid it rather than tackling the problem of our resistance to outsiders head on. Until we do this, we will always be hobbled by our xenophobia and our insularity. Mike Ashley got us into this mess by making woeful decisions which pandered to local sensiblities. We really need to get out of this horrible loop right now.

  6. I love this ‘data room’ concept. I have this mental picture of Ashley sitting in the ‘data room’ stroking a fluffy white cat, saying things like “so ve meet at last Mr Shearer”.

  7. Im just not sure beye, I feel it again panders to the fans that they know best, its a dangerous appointment, I like what I have seen so far, but I want stability, the only thing left to stabilise is expectations.

    hahahaha i like the part where you said the only thing left to stabilise is expectations.
    stardust there is a lot more to stabilise such as owners manager players but what i will say is i understand what youre saying i hope who ever is appointed will be given time whether it is shearer or some other hopeful

    workeyticket says:
    June 16, 2009 at 4:37 pm
    beyethegreat says:
    June 16, 2009 at 4:16 pm

    “stardust
    the best thing about shearer is the fans will give him time”

    That’s the essence of our problem though, Beye. We’re trying to avoid it rather than tackling the problem of our resistance to outsiders head on. Until we do this, we will always be hobbled by our xenophobia and our insularity. Mike Ashley got us into this mess by making woeful decisions which pandered to local sensiblities. We really need to get out of this horrible loop right now.

    worky i dont think its a problem of xenaphobia i just think people see potentially a good manager in shearer and a club legend and i honestly believe people would be the same way if he had been from peru

    though i agree we need to get out of thinking that just coz hes a legend it doesnt mean hell be a good manager though hopefully we can create some new lwgends

  8. Workey: “That’s the essence of our problem though, Beye. We’re trying to avoid it rather than tackling the problem of our resistance to outsiders head on. Until we do this, we will always be hobbled by our xenophobia and our insularity. Mike Ashley got us into this mess by making woeful decisions which pandered to local sensiblities. We really need to get out of this horrible loop right now.”

    ========

    I agree with that in general, but I do happen to think this is an ideal time to appoint Shearer as manager. Much more so than if we’d avoided relegation.

  9. In the end I don’t think we have any choice now. I think it’s come to the point where we have to give Shearer the chance to manage the club.

  10. Shearer is the only option right now. We do not need a Geordie to manage the club like everyone says. But we are now at our lowest ebb and Shearer is the man to sort out the problems and get us back into the Premier League. It is important to get back at the first attempt. The longer we are in the CCC the bigger the risk of going down again. Shearer is the man to get us back in the Premier League.

  11. We have to bare in mind that they might have proved they have the funds to make the purchase so can go through the books on the data room but they haven’t made any bids.

    They won’t make any bids until they see the data room and decide how much the club is worth in their opinion.

    If the club finances are in as bad a state as we think I don’t think they’ll be wanting to pay full whack.

    This could delay the takeover further.

    These perspective buyers will also know the longer it goes without being sold the more desperate Ashley will become.

    We might not be at the end game just yet.

  12. Hugh de Payen says:
    June 16, 2009 at 4:53 pm

    “I love this ‘data room’ concept. I have this mental picture of Ashley sitting in the ‘data room’ stroking a fluffy white cat, saying things like “so ve meet at last Mr Shearer”.”

    It was Derek Llambias in my mental picture, Hugh. He seems much more like the cat stroking supervillain type.

  13. haha just seen that tag on the right lol. wearside tramps. love it :D

  14. Surely the data room is Greenbach’s (I mean Ashley’s) lair and Penfold (I mean Llambias) has defected and swapped allegiances to the big green slob, to help save the world (I mean what little money and dignity they have left)?

  16. Evening Guys

    So some progress made and a little bit of communication from the club – wonders will never cease

  17. I suppose we should spare a thought for Llambias, who’ll most likely be getting the boot when Ashley sells up.

    Okay, maybe not.

  20. I’ve no idea what “cobewebs” are though.
    I’m typing in the dark again.

  21. Yeah, I feel sorry for Xisco too. And Nacho Gonzalez.

    They were brought into the NUFC mess and left to rot.

    For all we know they might be fantastic players.

  22. He had it pretty rough from day one, all he wanted to do was play football at the end of the day. Can’t blame him for taking the great contract they gave him, I would have done the exact same thing in his shoes.

  23. I feel sorry for him too.

    It would seem he was the player that broke the camels back re Keegan. I don’t think he got much of a chance after that.

    Although Llambias said he was ‘a one for the future signing’.

    £5.8M is a hell of a lot to spend on someone for the future.

  24. Yeah, we spent far too much on him. I wonder if we’ll keep him and give him a shot in the Championship? I doubt it.

  25. You know what I’m really praying for? Back pages full of pre-season summer signings like we saw in The Chronicle when we signed Beresford, Bracewell, Rob Lee, Venison etc. Quality signings back-to-back, filling me full of confidence. No last minute, transfer deadline stuff.
    A manager (Alan Shearer perhaps), being given the wherewithal to go out and be decisive and ruthless in pursuit of the talent we need. And proving he can do it when they perform on the pitch come the big kick-off.

    Is that too much to ask?

  26. Maybe I’m getting a bit nostalgic…

    Should Shearer get the job, I just see parallels with Keegan’s influence first time round, on players he could bring here. Talented kids, players with potential. And experienced blokes who can do a job in The Championship. A squad brimming with confidence and playing for the right reasons. Altogether, pulling in the same direction.

    Yep, definitely nostalgia kicking in.

    Really looking forward to the fixture list tomorrow though.

  28. I just want a damn playmaking midfielder. Skjelbred is likely the best we could get considering we’re in the Championship.

  29. BBM, it’s a nice thought.

    The pessimist in me sees all this selling the club malarkey dragging on, all our targets being bought by other clubs in the interim and us struggling to even survive in the fizzy pop next season.

    Actually, let’s go with your picture of things – I much prefer it.

  30. 52times says:
    June 16, 2009 at 8:27 pm

    “I just want a damn playmaking midfielder.”

    52, we had one. Unfortunately his name was Nacho Gonzalez.

  34. You are right. So was the fact that we only had 1 left back and 1 right back.

    The squad was really unbalanced and I think that had a major bearing on our season.

  35. We lacked in a lot of areas, but I’d tend to agree that we lacked most by not having people who could supply the strikers or think creatively from midfield.

    I also think we suffered from not having players who can change a game.

    Back in the old days (yeah, flat cap moment) we seemed to have a few players who could change games with a bit of individual skill, so you never felt totally out of it even if you were behind.

    Last season’s team lacked that (except maybe for Martins but his wonder strikes were rare).

  36. Yeah. All we can do now is hope for a fast sale and some major transfer action. Don’t have much time to spare.

  37. Agreed.

    We need a midfield who can keep the ball and take the pressure off the back four but also individual(s) that have invention to create something from nothing.

    We’re crying out for a Beardsley, Solano, Ginola, Sellars, Waddle, Gazza, Hibbitt etc etc

  40. Hugh – good craic! Haven’t all of it yet but I will.

    Talking of things to boggle the mind, I’m off to watch the end of 21 – a film about card counting.

  41. Were 4/1 to win the Championship with Paddy Power.

    If we get sorted this week (big if I know) that looks a big price.

  42. Hugh de Payen says:
    June 16, 2009 at 9:11 pm

    “As an aside, this is quite interesting in a geeky sort of way:”

    Hugh, on the subject of geekiness, did you see that picture I used for the Newcastle United “data room”? That was the Rand Corporation’s vision of how home computers would look in 2004! :-)

  44. Is the steering wheel for moving the cursor?
    With hindsight they’d probably at least make it wireless (or maybe they’d say cordless).

  46. Someone put a 20 spot on for me and I’ll sort you out when I get the winnings?

  48. bowburnmag says:
    June 16, 2009 at 9:36 pm

    “Is the steering wheel for moving the cursor?
    With hindsight they’d probably at least make it wireless (or maybe they’d say cordless).”

    LOL Bowburn. Here’s the text that went with it.

    “Scientists from the Rand Corporation have created this model to illustrate how a “home computer” could look like in the year 2004. However the needed technology will not be economically feasible in the average home. Also the scientists readily admit that the computer will require not yet invented technology to actually work, but 30 years from now scientific progress is expected to solve these problems. With teletype interface and the Fortran language, this computer will be easy to use.”

  49. We had two players who could create chances. We all thought we got a good deal for them at the time. We all thought we would use the money to bring in better replacements. How much would we give to have Milner and N’Zogbia in our team now?

  50. thats the shortist price for any team for 20 year stu not a good price at all we are aboot 11 to 8 to go up

  51. Waaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

    Mr Liar of a Business Degree states

    “Stuart79 says:
    June 16, 2009 at 5:20 pm (Edit)
    We have to bare in mind that they might have proved they have the funds to make the purchase so can go through the books on the data room but they haven’t made any bids.

    They won’t make any bids until they see the data room and decide how much the club is worth in their opinion.

    If the club finances are in as bad a state as we think I don’t think they’ll be wanting to pay full whack.

    This could delay the takeover further.

    These perspective buyers will also know the longer it goes without being sold the more desperate Ashley will become.

    We might not be at the end game just yet.”

    Now listen Stuart – we know you lied about your business degree so why perpetuate it.

    In the prospectus and memorandums associated with the sale of NUFC and its subsidiaries within the same group – the documentation has to contain a financial overview, from that overview its quite easy to establish value which will be based on a PE ratio according to the individual buyers advisors advice.

    Thereon the “want premium” is the only other additional in terms of price.

    Due diligence is simply a process to make sure that the facts as relayed within the prospectus are real and genuine – and if the accountants miss on the key facts their PI picks up the tab.

    So why oh why Mr Business Degree Holder do you go one every website proffering knowledge and opinions when you have none.

    You have countered high opinion on Ashleys efforts and endeavours re the re-structuring but again you show you have no knowledge.

    Please turn out the lights as you leave the room, once more Mr Business degree holder (wahhhhh) you look more than a little bit foolish and to be fair – very very very young.

    Save your lies for elsewhere.

  52. i am surprised were favourites with no owner manager or any idea which players well have

  53. Stardust says:
    June 16, 2009 at 11:22 pm

    You never fail to amaze me.

    Now you’re even arguing with the man commissioned to sell the club.

    I have just repeated exactly what Keith Harris has said to BBC 5 Live!

    Now I know you think you’re good but surely he knows just a little bit more about this process than you?

    I don’t expect you to admit that though….

    ps

    Ya getting boring with this business degree stuff

  54. Stardust and Stuart 79

    Will you two pack it in you’re like a couple of little bairns

  56. I just love winding him up.

    Although on this occasion I was only repeating What Keith Harris has said.

  57. Bowburn – I’ve been saying it for ages. This current situation is just set up ready for Shearer to “do a Keegan”. Walk out when he doesn’t get his own way? No, take over the management of a club in dire trouble and get some pride and belief back in the team. We could seriously storm this league IF we get everything in place before kick off. A big ask I know.

  58. Here, here deb ;-)

    MT – Fingers crossed that lightning can strike twice pal!

  59. Stardust, what happened to the higher level of debate? We’ve all worked really hard on this site, please don’t drag it down to that level.

    Stuart, stop winding him up.

    Enough!

  60. Stuart

    A little knowledge is a dangerous thing. You interpretation of what was said is limited.

    All parties have allowed access to the data room have already proven they have the 100m asking price – they have shown their hand somewhat.

    Due diligence allows prospective purchasers to examine such things as playing contracts, future expenditure where contractual obligations apply and matters that may not be included in the financials – but their existence has been disclosed in the prospectus – for example a review of the ownership of the stadium and land, and right to use the land in perpetuity etc.

    Due diligence is there to uncover any misleading facts in the prospectus and/or facts not brought attention with the prominence they deserve.

    Thereon having examined these facts its a simple matter of weighing the PE ratios (or rather rate of Return over time in football) and the Want Premium. However in this instance they have already proved they have the capability to pay 100m and are willing to do so based on the prospectus financial information – otherwise they would have walked by now and not even bothered going to this stage – which is an expensive business in itself.

    IF diligence uncovers any areas of concern not disclosed/highlighted and the buyer then may at their discretion attempt to discount their bid accordingly – or increase it where they see value and competition.

    Diligence is subjective however – and that was to what Harris was referring, facts can be overstated – a bit like when you buy a house to get disounts, making the most of small things.

    Again you discounted a NUMBER of groups are now spending a significant amount going through the books, they are committed and in competition with each other – so areas of discount from due diligence would only become prominent IF a new uncovered fact was significant.

    The situation is very healthy from a sale point of view – providing of course there are a number of bidders – which we are led to believe.

    So please – before you start trying to form opinions about thing you have no knowledge, for once in you life, just say nothing, I am embarrassed for you – good job you got your business degree from a fictitious university – imagine the embarrassment a real one would have had with you being a former student.

  61. Worky – I have bit my tongue for weeks – yet only now when I retaliate is something said?

    If he kept his perpetual digs to Eds Blog I would reply in kind on Eds and leave it there, but he isnt interested in debate or views, he is there to cause a reaction – I neednt explain it to you – youve seen the posts yourself.

    I appreciate I have a choice, as I indicated I started the blog with you with high goals of what it was meant to be, but we have no moderation, standards or identity from that point, his lines are allowed and not put down. This blog after a really promising start will decline to an EdBlog type debate – the attacks are personal and not aimed at the debate – just like Eds. I have said this to you before, it isnt a surprise.

    Moderation is the only answer, of mine or anyone elses posts standards are to be maintained. But the standards at present are intangible, without boundaries, so they are being prodded to find out what they are.

  62. Thanks for that Stardust.

    I wish I had your knowledge.

    Or maybe not as it would mean I’d be at home in Newcastle trying to put down every comment someone makes.

    Instead I’m sat round my pool in Guardamar at my holiday home laughing my backside of at you.

    All at only 29 yrs old too.

    Must make you sick……

  64. You’re also dragging my article down with you… ;-)

    Despite not wanting to take sides because you’re both as bad as each other, I think you (Stardust) have let rip on here a little prematurely. You had your say about the subject, he had his without referring to your’s and because of your volatile relationship (….sitting in a tree…) you’ve tried to completely shred the bloke.

    Swap emails and do the character assassinations on there. Debate is about arguing the reasons behind your opinion/conclusion and asserting your beliefs, not trying to dirty someone’s character and take away their dignity.

    At least that’s what I thought….

  65. BBM – Appreciate youd say that if you take this one thread into consideration. However after personally sitting through countless threads and goaded by this proven liar, enough is enough.

  66. My dignity totally in tact as always bowburn.

    Now I must ge back to watching Royal Ascot and winning some money( well hopefully)

  67. Stardust says:
    June 17, 2009 at 1:47 pm

    OK i give in I must respond.

    I want cast iron guarenteed evidence ie fingerprints, video evidence that I am a proven liar.

    Not just your opinion and observations.

    If you cannot provide that stardust I suggest you take what little thread of dignity you have left and get back to your cats.

  69. Totally agree Deb.

    Off memory I don’t believe I have attacked stardust on this blog.

    He says he wants it for debate, I have my say and he attacks my opinion and me.

    I do comment for response on Ed’s blog but not on here as this isn’t the same kind of blog.

  70. Stardust

    I’m sorry but I think the fault lies with you here. You have been very personal with the attacks and comments and for that reason Stuart has felt he has needed to respond.
    One of the reasons I don’t visit Ed’s blog as often is due to the constant insults being traded at people. We are all different and all have our own viewpoints which I know you accept. I would ask firstly you Stardust not to make insulting and highly personal remarks to Stuart and Stuart for you not to respond. I love this blog. I think Workey in particular has put in a huge amount of time and effort to provide an alternative high standard blog which is appealing to more and more people. If the standards can be maintained I know it will be really successful. I am disappointed to see two knowledgeable and intelligent people reacting in this way. But as I said earlier I believe you Stardust are kicking it off. Please stop now guys. If you don’t Workey has the power to pull the plug on you

  71. I have to say on evidence, Stu is right Stardust (albeit fro memory, you’ve both had a few digs at each other so far).

    I’m not some bleeding heart liberal, Mary Whitehouse figure and by no means do I see this blog as somewhere for higher intellects but to be honest it’s getting a bit daft. Nah hang on, it’s already daft.

    Remember opinions are great because not everything is black and white. Except us lot.

    H’way onwards and upwards.

  73. I will continue to have my opinion. If anyone feels it’s wrong then great- we have debate.

    I would prefer we kept it to ‘the debate’.

  75. Deb – may I start by saying that I greatly respect you but I reserve my right to have my opinion – I totally disagree with your view.

    I am the person the perpetual digs are aimed at, I actually started to compile a list there of all the previous comments – of which ON THIS BLOG there are too many to list – so I chose this thread to retaliate – then the schoolboy cries behind Miss’s skirt.

    Then I realised, its a blog, and as much as I can not stand him – I will leave it there – I have much more important things to do.

  76. On reflection I have identified my frustration, I wanted this blog to be free of tittle tattle of which I am now engaged, so I have been sat there, taking each dig and not retaliating, so I now have snapped.

    Maybe I let myself and the blog down. Not sure how long I can sit with my own hands behind my own back for without typing in return but I will give it a go – be it 5 seconds or 5 days.

  77. Stardust

    That’s fine. Everyone is entitled to their views.
    For heaven’s sake there you go again – regarding hiding behing Miss’s skirt!
    I would suggest you are being a tad sensitive but if you can’t play nicely why don’t you just ignore each other.
    To be honest I and I’m sure other bloggers won’t mind how you both do it as long as this childishness stops.

  78. Stardust

    ‘Maybe I let myself and the blog down. Not sure how long I can sit with my own hands behind my own back for without typing in return but I will give it a go – be it 5 seconds or 5 days.’

    Stardust

    If I can be frank yes you have on both counts. But onwards and upwards. Please count to 10 or 10,000 before responsing to something/someone you feel is having a go at you. I know you are a good guy and you like to be provocative in your views which makes for good blooging, as long as responses doesn’t get to the stage of trading personal insults

  79. I think if you feel like you need to argue, you should just meet up and neck-on to get your frustrations out.
    There’s love there, definitely some love. ;-)

    So the fixtures are out, the data room is open and things are starting to take some sort of shape.
    All we need to happen is confirm a buyer, do the sale, do the handover, formally appoint a manager and backroom, get them settled, get rid of some dead wood, get in some new blood and bring it alogether for August. Not much left to do then.
    Sheesh……

  80. I’ll make my apologises in the form of a horse racing tip.

    Running today the 4:55 @ Ascot – Rose Blossom

    Pile on

  82. Every time I think of the data room I keep thinking of the image at the top of the article. Hoepfully the data room is ‘intelligent’ and it provides the following message to anyone who’s first name starts with Freddy and last name ends with Shepherd… ‘You are denied access’

  84. Stuart 79 says

    Username- ShepherdF
    Password-********

    ACCESS DENIED!!!!!!

    What I would give to see the look on his face if that happened LOL !!

  86. workeyticket says:
    June 16, 2009 at 9:29 pm

    Hugh, on the subject of geekiness, did you see that picture I used for the Newcastle United “data room”? That was the Rand Corporation’s vision of how home computers would look in 2004! :-)

    ===

    Sorry, I only just saw that comment.

    I worked for a while in the Space Science Department at the Rutherford Appleton Labs in Didcot and my desk was right next to a bunch of gubbins that looked very similar to the computer in your picture.

    It was the 1950’s/60’s control panel for the satellite dish they have at the labs.

    Part of my job – and I swear this is true – was to don a white coat and a clipboard and stand next to the control panel pressing buttons and such whenever they were showing people around the lab.

    The dish was actually controlled by a laptop but the image of the big control panel was what visitors expected so that’s what they gave them.