Southampton vs Newcastle United extended match highlights and interviews

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1. Complete Shiite I swapped to the city game 3 defeats in a row and 4 points away from bottom 3! F**k!!!!!

2. What a joke today. We need to play with a bit more fight and pride. Shocking……

3. I watched Pardew’s postmatch interview. I “wuz” the small squad and having to play the great Maritimo on Thursday wot done it.

4. Things going against us. Doesnt he say that every week? The squad we have should be capable of scoring and playing decent enough.

5. turkish delight.

   the dog’s getting a bit sick now like.

6. Me thinks Alan Pardew is soon to find out for himself how “f’ing horrible” Derek and Mike can be. I understand Mike’s a sore looser. Things “going south” for Alan may be way further than Southampton. Whatever gives, we sure need to be better entertained for our time and our hard earned cash. Sort it out guys…

7. So,I hear tiote no longer speaks to pardeuw,and asked mr ashley to move him on in january,benny is unhappy at not being used correctly,guti wants to be played in his correct possition,pards tactics are being questioned,if we loose to stoke,and stoke have a stronger squad,then where do our next three points come from,with no cabaye or ben arfa,we have no creativity,or defence spliting pass that cisse needs to start scoring,even ba looks out of sorts now

8. We got found out,many of the first team are just long distance runners,not footballers e.g. Willo,guti,taylor injury prone,cisse not up for it,ba ,hatem leaving,we will not sack. Parpoo,jan transfer window,buy q.p.r rejects,7 for a pound luvely jubley,religation battle.Nice.

9. I’ve put the 20 minute Match of the Day highlights, interviews etc up now.

10. pardew is a crap manager, no doubt about it!
    in the cold light of day though, we know from experience, “the gruesome twosome”, will more than likely, not do what’s right.
    even if we sacked the inept gobs***e, who would they bring in?
    i dont think they will be even bothered to bring in another stooge, as dracula has stated in another interview, “we look to promote from within”, it justs suits their cheapness.
    what’s the betting when the word goes around fatty’s camp fire, that carver has managed before, they’ll shift the onus, straight onto his toes?

    i watched the highlights last night, just to see whether they were as bad as i first thought.
    after watching them again, on relfection, they are actually worse, than i first thought, after spending yesterday afternoon, chasing one dodgy link, after another.
    it was there in all it’s horror film like unglory, that is one of the worst performances, i have ever seen.

    it is a complete s**t state of affairs, to be in, but i expect it to continually get worse, under this tacky regime.
    december is coming up, and ashley may well wield the axe, just so he has an excuse not to splash any cash, in january.

11. Just looking at the fixtures,including city,man u,arsenal,cant see where we are going to pick up any points until jan 29th against villa,and they may have new management,and our squad couldnt handle bent and gabby and they are not world class.without cabaye and with tiote peed off we are in some serious dogs gut triffle.

12. Two quick wins and we are back into the top ten! Although I can’t see where they will be coming from.

    Last season the first team was virtually unchanged for the first tranch of games and we had no European diversions so Pardew has some cause for complaint and excuses no matter how whiny he is making them.

    i am not trying to make excuses for him and I know the mood is bitter and depressed amongst amongst us but a bit of luck and a couple of wins could perhaps restore some confidence to the team. It is obviously sadly lacking at the moment and the free scoring players of last year (except Ba perhaps) just don’t appear to have any conviction about getting the ball into the net.

    As some one has already pointed out new players in the January window will not neccesarily make a big difference if they are coming into a relegation dogfight.

    Positive changes need to happen now and our esteemed manager needs to show some b*lls and make them.

13. Grumpy-current table congestion is the silver lining for NUFC. But as is pointed out above, we have tough fixtures coming. It’s hard to see us getting anything from them when we’re consistently getting beaten by…everyone. You’re also right about conviction. That’s why I would seriously consider sacking AP now-problem being even the managers who can do a salvage on the cheap are unavailable. I don’t know…Di Matteo, maybe? Grasping at straws, I know.

14. grumpyoldtoon, the trouble is, the injuries have only kicked in, within the last few weeks.
    even when we have had everybody fit, we have still been poor, so injuries shouldn’t be used as an ultimate excuse.
    we haven’t put together a decent 90 minutes, since the season began.
    basically the whole thing comes back to having a sh**e owner, in mike ashley.
    he appointed a manager in alan pardew, in circumstances that didn’t seem football related.
    they wanted him in for their own reasons and agenda, which will not be good, you can bet your house on that.

    imo they have little or no interest in running a successful football club, but are in reality using the club as their own personal advertising company.
    as long as it chugs along and they dont have to throw too much money at it, they are okay, as long as they are creaming the sky money, off the top.

    these are the people who will tell you that they spend small fortunes on their academy, but cannot achieve an A license, but sunderland and the boro can.
    the same liars who try to tell any who will listen, that they scour the world looking for talent.
    all they’ve been doing is getting the ferry over to france, to pilfer french players, for next to nothing.
    the same people who cannot even be bothered to get a decent manager, to run the team for them.
    you know there’s something dodgy, when their appointments are mates of theirs, or desperados who no one will give a job to, and will spin and tell lies to the fans, and be a front for their nefarious activies.

    ashley cannot even be bothered to employ are proper footballing chairmen, to run the club for him.
    he gives the job to a minnion who was always seen in the ashley entourage, in the earlys days, wearing a managers jacket.
    he has obviously kept in with ashley, and arse crawled his way to a job.
    the same fella hasn’t got a clue, when it comes to negotiating contracts and transfers etc, and is a pr nightmare.

    the club punched well above it’s weight last season, but had a chance to kick on.
    as always though, most fans knew deep down, that these conmen running the club, wouldn’t do anything near what was required, to compete on four fronts.

    some will say protests are no good, but the fans need to let these people know, we dont want them here.
    we could have protests like the liverpool fans did, against hicks and gillette.
    i’m not talking about bed sheets and charvers rioting, i’m talking about protest coming from fans groups etc, and carefully orchestrated protests in the stadium, and outside the stadium, after games.

    the last time we tried to protest, it wasn’t done properly, and eventually we let them off the hook, when ashley give his pathetic, i’m in fear of my life speech.
    we need to keep the pressure on this regime, to either change their ways, or they sell up and leave the club to someone, who wants to do something with it.
    one thing is for sure nothing is ever going to change, with the continued course, this club is taking, with it so called policies etc.

    the best thing to do would be for a total boycott, nothing will shift this parasite quicker, than if he cannot make money, out of the fans.
    if we continue to put money in his pocket, he will never leave, and this club will never move forward.

15. Steven Taylor out for 2 weeks now.

16. Trojan, I really cannot see the boycott you desire ever happening, a few thousand might stay away but Newcastle will always get 30thou plus even if we go down, although sinking to the humiliating depths of League one would probably do it.

    And Ashley is a billionaire now, so he could afford to keep the club as a loss leader without any thoughts or feelings for the fans, so I don’t think we will see the back of him anytime soon, unless some ogliarch similar to Abramovitch pitched up with a silly money offer.

    Our biggest hope, imo, is that either Pardew has a “Road to Damascus” moment or Ashley decides to cut his losses and ditch Pardew. I’d bet he has a clause to sack Pardew on the cheap if need be. The likely scenario as someone suggested would be to appoint Carver as acting manager, lets face it he has form in this type of action.

    Don’t know if this would improve things however as Carver is part of the team organisation/tactics setup now anyway so by this criteria is part of the problem.

    Unless as I said we have a bit of luck I can see us entering Xmas well into the relegation zone.

    Incidently how is everyone doing in the latest round of ever increasing bad weather systems hitting the country.

    Global warming is a reality I’m afraid!

17. We got found out,many of the first team are just long distance runners,not footballers e.g. Willo,guti,taylor injury prone,cisse not up for it,ba ,hatem leaving,we will not sack. Parpoo,jan transfer window,buy q.p.r rejects,7 for a pound luvely jubley,religation battle.Nice.

18. sampdiago, sorry your earlier abuse comment was held up.

    As you can probably see, I’ve approved it now and moved it to just just above this comment.

19. Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    November 26, 2012 at 3:30 pm

    “Global warming is a reality I’m afraid!”

    Aye Grumpy. Losing the beneficial effects of the gulf stream is making our climate more like Scandinavia’s, which is on the same latitude.

20. grumpyoldtoon, the way ashley is going, the crowds will drop off anyway, before a boycott even starts.
    this is the only was to get rid of him, i’m afraid, if people keep turning up, he’ll never leave his bilboard.
    if we were to go down in the not too distant future, i think the next time, we would lose around 25,000 off the gate, because no one would ever entertain him again.
    i dont think we would bounce back as quickly, as we did last time, especially if soppy pardew, was still at the helm.
    the crowds would start to drop even more, if we didn’t go straight back up.
    i’ve always had a fear we’ll end up in the third tier, with him in charge, and leeds, the sheffields, and southampton are examples of how easy, it can happen.
    i dont think the circus ashley parades over, is at an end yet!

21. TROJAN RECORDS 73 says:
    November 26, 2012 at 5:37 pm

    “grumpyoldtoon, the way ashley is going, the crowds will drop off anyway, before a boycott even starts.”

    Trojan, you should know by now that “boycott” is incorrect, it B-O-Y-C-O-U-T-T!

22. I’m no longer in the “how can I make MA leave” game. I’ve realized my limitations.

    I won’t even try to dictate to him what sort of manager, tactically, he should hire.

    But FFS, how disheartening is it that our ownership either doesn’t see or doesn’t count it as important that this manager can’t MOTIVATE?!!!

23. What are you on about ?
    Loosing the beneficial effects of the gulfstream is making our climate more like Scandinavia’s, which is on the same latitude .
    Erm! i think you got it wrong there, the shift has taken place, not in the gulf stream, but the jet stream, which are the high air currents to simplify things.
    And when Did Scandanavia, move south to the same latitude as the Celtic Islands.
    I can call it that as a recent genetic study, has come up with the fact, there are more people of celtic descent than Germanic.

24. Sorry Chuck but the Gulf Stream has indeed had a marked effect on the UK’s climate in the past, giving us a rise of around 3-5 degrees centigrade in mean temperature.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/climate/impact/gulf_stream.shtml

    Don’t they ever teach Geography in American schools? Check out an Atlas and you will see that Denmark, southern Norway and Sweden are indeed on a similar latitude to the UK. Keep trying though and you might get lucky one day. I doubt it though as I don’t usually write things unless I’m pretty sure ;-).

25. tunyc says:
    November 26, 2012 at 8:00 pm

    “But FFS, how disheartening is it that our ownership either doesn’t see or doesn’t count it as important that this manager can’t MOTIVATE?!!!”

    But that’s supposed to be his thing tunyc. His nickname even used to be “Mr.Motivator” after the UK TV fitness guru of the ’90s because he’s constantly bombarding his teams with self help slogans and using the techniques he learns in the numerous self help books he buys.

26. Perhaps we’re caught between two stools: one where the players are all on massive wages playing for a Champions league club or equivalent, and those who are just beginning to make their mark on the Premiership and are loving every minute of it. Our players are in a kind of no-man’s-land between the two, and without a healthy team spirit which relies on a positive vibe running through the club – not very likely when one knows how “f’ing horrible” our board can be and a manager whose bollocks are held in that vice – we are doomed to unravel and spiral downwards very rapidly, which is exactly what we are seeing.

27. Meanwhile, thanks for the distraction of Climate Change! I fully agree that this is happening but would claim that it goes way beyond CFCs and the burning of fossil fuels. The Earth is a living intelligence and “she” is shifting in all kinds of ways that are bringing all kinds of change, including a shift in consciousness.

28. Paul in Hollywood says:
    November 26, 2012 at 9:54 pm

    “The Earth is a living intelligence and “she” is shifting in all kinds of ways that are bringing all kinds of change, including a shift in consciousness.”

    Paul, sometimes you really don’t need to tack the “in Hollywood” part on the end of your name. :-) Have you been reading James Lovelock?

    On the football, perhaps it’s that players are being bought for investment potential more than anything else? Personally, I don’t believe there’s much wrong with them. They’ve been carrying Pardew for a long time, yet when things start to go tits up, they get the blame.

29. we have some excellent players but they’re not stupid. they won’t put up with being coached by a moron whose tactical acumen is on par with pullis and allerdyce.

    the top players will expect investment in players to encourage competition for places and to challenge for titles. the lack of ambition sends out a terrible message to internationals who know they can get more money and a better chance of some silverware in london, manchester or liverpool. enrique knew it. he’s won a trophy.

    good players don’t become bad players overnight.

    it’s all very well criticising jonas or papiss or whoever but people should ask themselves why they aren’t performing like we know they can… my conclusion is it’s the manager and i believe a few of them will be angling to get out of the mickey mouse outfit they’ve found themselves in.

30. Stewpot, Cabaye once said in an interview that when he was joining the club, he sought and received reassurances from Pardew that the club would be playing in a nice short passing style rather than a direct “route one” style.

    Later, he was gobbing off in the media about Debuchy and let himself get roped into the effort to unsettle him at Lille, thinking that the club would go all out to get him. Instead, Llambias made a couple of derisory bids. When they inevitably failed, a carefully worded cock and bull story was then circulated to the local media about how the club were “led to beleive” that Lille had accepted one of their ridiculous bids. I’m not him but if I was, I’d be feeling like a bit of a tool now in two senses of the word.

    Getting back to the long ball thing, it’s quite ironic that apart from the goalies (for obvious reasons) Cabaye is now our biggest purveyor of long 25 yard+ “hoofs” this season so far.

31. Worky, you are THE walking encyclopedia! I am familiar with the thinking of James Lovelock, but the Gaia concept of Mother Earth goes way back to the ancient Greeks and into the Sanskrit myths of the East. But what do we know? There are more galaxies than there are humans, and it wasn’t so long ago that we (well, the Catholic Church) insisted that the world was flat.

    Football: I think you are right. The players are bemused and no doubt fed up with the psycho-babble and piss-poor football nous they are being spewed by Alan.

32. Back to football, you damn hippies.

    re: Mr. Motivator: what a load. You can’t learn leadership from a f’in book, duh! Best motivators I see do it the old-fashioned way. They get the timing right when they slap you upside the head and when they praise you. They build trust-not constantly calling you out on shortcomings but helping you to improve not least by demanding you put in work. Everything else is crap.

33. Paul

    There are more galaxies than there are humans, and it wasn’t so long ago that we (well, the Catholic Church) insisted that the world was flat.

    The revelation that really left me gob-smacked was that there are more stars in the Universe than there are grains of sand in all of the beaches in the world, dunno who counted them though. :)

    I hope everyone is ready for the great darkness beginning on the 21st December this years as prophesised by a Tibetan Monk. Apparently it will last for two months and everyone needs to stock up on food and other survival essentials. Suppose it will give our injury list a chance to improve if it happens.

    Oh and by the way it seems that the Mayan prophecies might be in error as the particular glyphes written on the tablets, apparently were spelling mistakes by whoever wrote them. The revised versions were either on the reverse side or on a different tablet giving the real astronomical predictions. So any Toon fans intending to go up mountains at that time needn’t bother. The world as we know it is seemingly going to continue.

    Also the alignment with the great Galactic void has actually been happening for many decades.

    Still some people need their apocalyptic fix, and the movie industry has done ok out of it!!

34. These next two or three games we have coming up are going to be so important now and I hate to think what will happen next if we don’t pick up some points from them. Then we have the two Manchester teams and Arsenal and I don’t see us getting much there the way we are at the moment. It’s never a dull moment being a Toon supporter, except for when we’re watching the games that is! :-)

35. workyticket says:

    Sorry Chuck but the Gulf Stream has indeed had a marked effect on the UK’s climate in the past, giving us a rise of around 3-5 degrees centigrade in mean temperature.

    Chuck does seem to have it in for you worky. What have you done to rattle his cage?

36. So Cabaye out until february. Maybe we’ll have less hoofball! Nah this is getting a bit silly now though.

37. toontony, i cannot see us beating stoke in all honesty, going to “the land that time forgot”, isn’t easy, at the best of times.
    if pardew goes there with the intention of trying the same formula of longball football, then there win be only one winner.

    i think we’ll suffer defeat again, tomorrow night, and the pressure will be on for the wigan game ,on monday.
    hopefully we might have one or two back, to give us a boost.
    wigan are another team we don’t do well against, so it doesn’t bode well, but they are going to have to stand up, and be counted.

    if pardew can get everybody back fit, then we might just avoid the relegation scrap, but i feel that will be a temporary stay of execution.
    pardew has to have the future of a snowman, at st james’ park, and even if he keeps us afloat, he needs to be given his marching orders.

    i was just looking at some of the comments on skysports, concerning pardew.
    one of the posters was praising the tradition at newcastle, and was suprised pardew had got the gig, in the first place.
    he was implying that pardew comes to a new club, and if it’s fair sailing, he’s okay.
    the poster reckons the problems always start for him, when he gets injuries, and the going gets tough.
    the guy was more or less saying, he was too one dimensional, and never comes up with a plan b, to turns things around, at his said club, of the time, and eventually always gets sacked.

38. Looking for the silvery-lining in this cloud of doom, it is all a very good test of our long-term manager. If he is any good, he will turn this mess around and have us back to playing entertaining and winning football. If he is unable to demonstrate these abilities, then the board should be able to determine that this guy wasn’t quite who they thought he was and start looking for a replacement. Chris Hughton anybody?

39. Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    November 27, 2012 at 12:12 pm

    “and it wasn’t so long ago that we (well, the Catholic Church) insisted that the world was flat.”

    That one’s a bit of a myth Grumpy. We’ve known that the earth was (almost) a spheroid for far longer than most people think. Actually, I think it may have been the Protestant God squad who started putting the myth around to make the Catholic God squad look bad if my memory serves me well.

    A pair of daft Yanks called Washington Irving and George Gershwin helped to perpetuate the myth too. With Irving it was a daft biography of Columbus written in the early 19thC, and with Gershwin it was his “they all laughed at Christopher Columbus when he said the world was round” line in a VERY popular song much later which helped to keep it going. Gershwin went on in the next line to give people the impression that Edison was the first to record sound, but that was cobblers too. Others beat Edison to the lightbulb as well, and every Geordie should know about Joseph Swan, his lightbulb, his shop in the the heart of Newcastle, and how Edison ripped him off. Getting back to the earth though, the big debate in the 16th/17thC wasn’t about the shape of the earth, but it’s size.

    Or something like that?

40. toontony says:
    November 27, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    “Chuck does seem to have it in for you worky. What have you done to rattle his cage?”

    Good question Tony. I think he’s just a grumpy old sod who hates everybody TBH. He’s a bit like me really!

    Here’s a video of Chuck and his mate logging on to nufcblog! :-)

41. Paul in Hollywood says:
    November 27, 2012 at 2:54 am

    “I am familiar with the thinking of James Lovelock, but the Gaia concept of Mother Earth goes way back to the ancient Greeks and into the Sanskrit myths of the East.”

    Did you know that Lovelock was one of the main men who gave us the microwave oven Paul? He’s a bit like me really in that he has problems fitting in with all the guff sometimes. The “hippies” you mention should absolutely idolise him with his Gaia hypothesis / theory or whatever, but than he goes and spoils it all for them with his fierce advocacy of nuclear power as the only realisitic hope of a solution. The problem is that he has a very good point though.

    Paul in Hollywood says:
    November 27, 2012 at 2:58 pm

    “Chris Hughton anybody?”

    Now that would REALLY make owlheed look like an complete arse Paul! :lol:

42. Edison was a scientific hack, a businessman who swooped in and capitalized on the ideas of others, usually without giving them credit. Tesla is probably his famous victim.

    Anyone who reads the ancient Greeks knows the whole “everyone thought the earth was flat in the 15th century” is bunko. Maybe particularly stupid people did. You don’t need modern technology to observe: a.) round shadows are cast by round objects and b.) the earth’s shadow cast on the moon is clearly round. (Then again, some can’t observe that our players don’t fit into 4-4-2…but I digress.) I won’t even mention all those statues of Roman emperors carrying that “globus mundi” thingy…

43. As for manager: I repeat that I hear Roberto Di Matteo is available. He did a nice job with WBA coming up from the championship second behind us with a much more pedestrian squad. He was at Chelsea so we know he’s willing to work with nutjobs…cheapskates, I’m not so sure.

44. Worky, actually I was quoting what Paul in Hollywood was saying comment 28, just forgot to include the quotation marks.

    The other stuuf was mine in comment 33.

45. Just off to hear someone give a talk on Bees, now they really are important in the great scheme of things. More so than any football teams.

    And as a trivial fact, Vegans do not eat Honey.

46. Is this not the team we finished last season with, with Anita replacing Cabaye? Anita was highly thought of at Ajax and hopefully will settle in soon (Pardew will most likely play Perch and Tiote at Stoke though).

    The difference short-term is Ben Arfa being out.

    So, Pardew needs to get some confidence back in this team, and needs to coach Cisse not to stray offside.

    Even draws would be good at this point so Clive Dunn Pardew should stop the panicking if we go a goal down.

47. GS-several things differentiate late last season from now. Cisse is not scoring for fun. (I find complex grasping at reasons for this amusing-he’s just on bad form, though I don’t think the 2-striker formation is helping.) Another difference is that other than for the last few games (where we didn’t perform well) we weren’t playing 4-4-2, at least not to start games. The AP 4-4-2 has been well & truly solved by the PL: isolate & mark Ba and triple HBA. That’s it. We have nobody else who scores from midfield, no particular passing game and we’re not a great threat from set pieces (ironic for a long ball team, I know).

    One thing that theoretically could change is what you point out: confidence, spirit. There’s something about the squad’s body language, however, that tells me that’s as likely as AP starting 3 at the back and 5 midfielders.

48. tunyc: it is me who is grasping at straws, about everything, including Cisse’s form. I am desperately trying to find something to be positive about ahead of the Stoke game.

    I agree that Pardew has been sussed and needs to show he is a real manager.

49. Workey
    Seems to me a country (Norway, Scandanavia)
    whose southermost limit is Lat 58-10n and whose norther limit roughly speaking is 69-40n (well inside the artic circle), when compared to the UK whose northenmost limit is 58-36n and southern limit 50-43n.
    Quite obviously the UK’s northernmost limit is barely in line with Norways southern limit and what does that tell you ?
    Certainly not that they are on similar latitudes.
    Obviously you are once again trying to bullshit your way out of the fact you dont know what you are on about.
    As for who learned geography, thats also obvious.
    Niether Sweden or Denmark are much effected by the gulfstream so they dont really count.
    And yes the most recent phenomena effecting weather patterns in Europe is the Jet Stream, which normally sweeps over the northern part of the UK, but has shifted into a more southerly flow.
    Sorry you got it copletely wrong , again!
    There has been no recently recorded changes in the gulf stream, it’s the “Jet” Stream, get it?

50. Here is full match.

    http://www.footballorgin.com/2012/11/premier-league-southampton-v-newcastle_26.html

51. An oblate spheroid, flattened at the poles, aint round, mother earth that is.

52. Toontony
    What makes you say i have it in for Worky, just keeping him straight is all.

53. On the Catholic Church and the flat-Earth society, they gave Galileo one hell of a hard time for trying to tell them that we were not the centre of the Universe, and actually moved round the Sun. The poor chap had to recant and say, OK guys, have it your way before they’d let him off the rack.

    Grumpy, I’m with you on the bees. http://phys.org/news/2012-10-pesticides-knock-on-effect-bees.html

    I’m sure you are familiar with the horrific antics of Monsanto. We need every football fan in the world to get on their case. Way more important than kicking a ball around.

54. Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    November 27, 2012 at 7:05 pm

    “Worky, actually I was quoting what Paul in Hollywood was saying comment 28, just forgot to include the quotation marks.”

    Sorry Grumpy. There weren’t any quotation marks or “Paul in Hollywood sez” in there, so I didn’t notice.

    Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    November 27, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    “Just off to hear someone give a talk on Bees, now they really are important in the great scheme of things. More so than any football teams.”

    They certainly are Grumpy. They’re as thick as shite though! When I open the windows here in the summer they always fly in, then start headbutting the window until they’re at the point of death by exhaustion when all they have to do is fly an inch or two higher to feck off out again! I’ve set up a mini “Bee hospital” for them the last couple of years. It usually consists of a small blob of Apricot jam on a piece of paper. If I find them at death’s door, I slide the paper under them, they stagger over to the jam, suck on that for a bit then go and have a lie down in the recuperation suite (the other side of the bit of paper). After a few minutes, they’re as fit as a flea again so they can get up and fly off!

    Grumpy Old-Toon says:
    November 27, 2012 at 7:11 pm

    “And as a trivial fact, Vegans do not eat Honey.”

    I don’t eat honey either, I divven’t like the stuff much. I’m not a Vegan but I was a veggie for a decade or so though.

55. Paul in Hollywood says:
    November 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm

    “On the Catholic Church and the flat-Earth society, they gave Galileo one hell of a hard time for trying to tell them that we were not the centre of the Universe, and actually moved round the Sun.”

    Aye Paul, but wasn’t that more about the earth moving around the Sun rather than than it being an “oblate spheroid”? ie Copernicus’s “heliocentrism,” with the RC Church insisting that the earth that stood still and the Sun orbited around us because we were so important?

56. tunyc says:
    November 27, 2012 at 6:28 pm

    “You don’t need modern technology to observe: a.) round shadows are cast by round objects and b.) the earth’s shadow cast on the moon is clearly round. (Then again, some can’t observe that our players don’t fit into 4-4-2…but I digress.) I won’t even mention all those statues of Roman emperors carrying that “globus mundi” thingy…”

    Very good thinking tunyc, I never thought of that.

    As for the 4-4-2 thing, we have even been shite in a 4-3-3 sometimes too as it’s about more than our shape. If only if were that simple!

57. The league table and our holiday fixtures are very disturbing given our current form.

58. chuck says:

    Toontony
    What makes you say i have it in for Worky, just keeping him straight is all.

    No offence Chuck but it looks totally the other way round to me. I’ve learned alot from worky and some of the other very clever people who contribute to this site, but you seem to resent the fact that he knows more than you and just try to pick a fight for no reason sometimes

59. Chuck: as usual you are getting caught up in the details. I am not a meteorologist, but from what I see jet streams have always moved around and bring changes in weather conditions. Ocean currents are more constant and affect climate, (even on a short term basis like el nino).

    They are both important and seem to have been subject to recent changes, probably related to global warming.

60. GS says:
    November 27, 2012 at 11:54 pm

    “Chuck: as usual you are getting caught up in the details. I am not a meteorologist, but from what I see jet streams have always moved around and bring changes in weather conditions. Ocean currents are more constant and affect climate, (even on a short term basis like el nino).”

    That’s far more like it GS. The ocean gulf stream is a long ongoing process which lasts for many, many, many years whereas the jet stream in the skies is something which affects climate on a more day to day basis.

    toontony says:
    November 27, 2012 at 11:12 pm

    “No offence Chuck but it looks totally the other way round to me.”

    Cheers Tony. Thankfully, I’ve learned to just switch off when Chuck’s chuntering goes a bit too far. ;-)

61. I just looked up jet streams in Wikipedia and see an almost minor note that there has been an observed drift northwards since 1971 of about a mile per year (even though they always move around). Over time this will affect climate as well as weather.

    The currents, jet streams and temperatures are all interlinked, so you two should stop arguing and start worrying about Stoke.

62. GS
    I think you will find that El Nino and El Nina, are the main causes of both changes in The Jet Stream, which consist of high level wind currents, which travel in a general eastward direction,
    Not only does El Nino effect weather but also Pacific Ocan currents, causing in general less tropical disturbances and hurricanes, but a greater velocity in those that do develope.
    I want to repeat, there have always been variations, in both weather patterns, and to a lesser degree in established ocean currents.
    We are all aware that the Gulf stream, continues in a counter clockwise circle, down the coast of africa and becomes the Equatorial curren around the Cape Verde Islands, heading due east and eventually reaching the Gulf of Mexico its original starting point.
    Any fluctuations to this particular current are minimal over the last number of decades and are barely worth mention.
    Wheras a more active El Nino, has had a definate effect on The jet stream, which instead of following a general meandering pattern, has followed a more radical and greater variation in direction, resulting in more radical weather patterns, Flooding, Storms, heavy snow falls, etc.
    Of course there has been an undeniable pattern of earth warming, with the Artic ice melting at a frightening pace.
    Which if it continues, could possibly result in another ice age, but thats another story.
    But fear not, as non of these issues will bring Scandanavia to similar latitude to that of the UK.
    And no amount of bluster from Workie, can change the facts.

63. Stoke City Eh!
    A well drilled team of big robust players, who not unlke BSA’s sides, play a very direct style, scoring mostly from set pieces or hoofed into the box passes.
    Nowt wrong with that, at least both Pulis and Sam, dont apologise for their tactics, whereas Pardew tends to deny he also plays a direct game.
    Though he alone doesn’t deserve all of the blame, Ashley bears a great responsibility in controling what happens at the club and failing to bring in the reinforcements we needed, during the summer.
    When he was aware we would be playing in both Europe and the PL, not to mention it’s always certain we will have injuries, what the hell was he thinking ?
    I wonder when we slide into the bottom three before christmas, instead of the top four, will he have a rethink about his discovery of how to run a football club successfuly by imitating his other business, buy cheap sell at a good profit.
    With our present injuries, plus the fact for the most part, we cant expect to win games with a side full of youngsters few of which are ready to play consistently in thiis league.
    We have to spend big during the winter window, where there are usuall better bargains from players running out their contracts.
    If we dont, there could quite possibly be a repetition of out relegation season, not so long ago.

64. Speaking of jet streams…. it’s the stream of higher consciousness that we need to take on board: that we exist in a Universal Oneness, and that all things are living (well, maybe not in the higher echelons of NUFC) and are interdependent, including the planet, the Sun, and our spiritual relationship to these “heavenly bodies”.

    Sorry guys, but one needs a diversion when one wakes up contemplating a fourth successive defeat and another inept performance against the Potters.