Pardew claims his home form is always “brilliant:” Let’s check the facts!

Posted on September 18th, 2013 | 160 Comments |

Alan Pardnocchio.
Pardnocchio’s been at it again!
With two one goal victories under his belt against Fulham and Aston Villa, Alan Pardew has started getting very cocky again. Speaking in one of his post match interviews after the Villa game he said the following amongst other things:

“Our home form since I’ve been at the football club has been brilliant”

So, I thought I would look deeper at his bullish claim and put it to the test, as going from what I have seen at St James’ Park in Pardew’s time at the club, it certainly hasn’t seemed that way. It has seemed like more like one good season sandwiched by one and a half poor ones.

Before I begin though, it should be remembered (though I’m sure you know already) that a team’s home form is almost always better than it’s away form, and sometimes much better with even mediocre teams getting around a 50% win percentage, though if those teams had a 50% win percentage for ALL their games, they would stand a very good chance of getting into the European places, not at the very top, but like Tottenham, or Pardew’s Newcastle when we came fifth and competed in the Europa League the following season. In that 2011-12 season, Newcastle United won 50% of all it’s Premier League games (19 out of 38), and 51.16% of all games (22 out of 43). So, bearing all that in mind, I have looked at ALL of Pardew’s home games at St James’ Park, both in the Premier League and in cup competitions.

As well as this, I should to provide some kind of perspective or benchmark. To this end I have also selected another team, a team which has probably been closest to Newcastle in terms of it’s squad and resources throughout the period of Pardew’s management at Newcastle, and a team which has performed pretty much as it should have with the resources it’s had at it’s diposal, Everton. According to football transfer website “Transfermarkt,” Everton’s squad has been just about the closest to Newcastle’s in terms of value during this period and. As it stands at the time of writing, they currently rank Newcastle United’s squad as the seventh most valuable in the Premiership with a first team squad value of around £150 million. Meanwhile, Everton’s is currently one place behind in eighth with an estimated value of around £140 million.

With that preamble out of the way, in the table below you will find both Newcastle United and Everton’s home record since Pardew’s first home game as manager, a 1-3 defeat to Manchester City on 26 December 2010.

Newcastle United’s home form under Pardew 2010-13.
Competition P W D L Points Win %
Premier League 51 25 12 14 87/153 49.02%
Cup competitions 9 5 3 1 N/A 55.55%
Total 60 30 15 15 N/A 50.00%
Everton’s home form during the same period.
Competition P W D L Points Win %
Premier League 51 30 14 7 104/153 58.82%
Cup competitions 15 10 1 4 N/A 66.67%
Total 66 40 15 11 N/A 60.61%

So there it is. Though Everton have done well, they haven’t really punched above their weight significantly under the stewardship of David Moyes and now Roberto Martinez. This is understandable as there is a large and ever growing gulf between the likes of Everton and Newcastle and a top six comprising of Liverpool, Tottenham, Arsenal, Manchester United, Manchester City and Chelsea. As you can see, the similar Newcastle United squad’s home form, rather than being “brilliant” has actually been rather poor by comparison in Pardew’s time, and actually below what you would expect from a side of Newcastle United’s calibre.

Brilliant? Pull the other one, Alan!

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  2. Excellent analysis worky. It would be interesting to see how his home form with us stacks up against his home form with previous clubs.

  3. Mark says:
    September 18, 2013 at 1:22 pm

    “http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Kinnear Someone’s been messing with Joe!”

    Mark, writing as a regular Wikipedia editor who wastes alot of time cleaning up vandalism, I f**king hate the useless halfwitted maggots who do shit like that!

    Cheers, Pete!

  5. Not forgetting our biggest home defeat for years, our biggest derby defeat for years and as things stand 1 goal in our last 5 home games. Why doesn’t the bloke just shut his trap instead of spouting constant horseshat !!!

  6. I was willing to give the silver pox the benefit of the doubt until we got beat by scum 3 nowt and the Red bindippers 6 nowt (c AndyMac)

  7. Everything is relative, and since Pardew tends to have a jaundiced view of things, in his terms he probably thinks it has been brilliant.

  8. 2012 season we lost only 3 games at home, last year we lost 9 home games which is pathetic…

    How can Pardew come out and talk such bollocks is beyond me – engage gear with mouth and talk – think he’s missing out the first step of that

  9. I guess it makes sense if he has a low standard for his own performances. Winning 50% probably is brilliant to him.

    Clown.

  10. Obviously Pardew is his own best fan and no doubt deluded to the point where he believes his own bullenscheise.

  11. The stupid fool, He really should keep his trap shut!
    Like people have said above, Worst home defeat in years by Liverpool, Getting a complete hiding by a poor Sunderland side.

    Beaten easily by Reading, Who eventually went down

    Beaten by West Ham 0-1.

    Beaten by Swansea 1-2.

    Beaten 1-3 by Man City.

    Beaten 1-2 by Everton.

    Beaten 0-1 by Arsenal.

    Pardew is talking his usual rubbish, And that is just some of the lowlights of last season.

  12. Worky, I like the touch, With the grey hair lol.
    I wonder if Parnocchio goes home, And asks his father whether, “One Day He Will Be a Real Manager”?

  13. joe hawkins says:
    September 18, 2013 at 5:12 pm

    “Worky, I like the touch, With the grey hair lol.”

    I was waiting for someone to notice that, Joe. He actually does look a bit like Pardew with silver hair!

  14. Yes it appears from “Transfermarkt” estimates that we are more or less on par with Everton as far as the valuation of players are concerned.
    But one must realize these are purely estimates and have no bearing on any clubs actual evaluation of any particular player.
    To look at the amounts paid for those signed during the winter window, bears no resemblance to their current evaluation.
    And of course for us to ask a reported twenty million for Cabaye, is well above the original price paid and also well above his current evaluation.
    In which case it becomes obvious that the club would have been willing to sell for an enormous profit, a less than the Carroll amount but substantial nevertheless.
    Which leads to the question, is our great leader more interested in the business (retail) of buying cheap and selling for what the market will bear.
    After all it’s what he know’s, that and trying to cut corners in order to save a dime here and there.
    In which case forget about the so called Marquee players such as Seydou Duombia, rated at around eighteen to twenty million quid.
    Don’t forget at seven million Ashley backed out of the Gomis deal, by getting wor Joe to request he take a wage cut, resulting in Gomis telling him to, go pound salt!

  15. Charles: Norwich got van Wolfswinky-dink for about 8 million. Everton got Lukaku on loan and Liverpool got Moses. None of this makes any sense.

  16. Comparing our intent as far as ambition is concerned.
    One can only look at the actions of sides like those recently promoted sides like Norfolk, Cardiff, S’hampton,
    etc., never mind that of the top six.
    And as far ahead of the rest comes Spurs, who signed seven players for a total of one hundred and five million.
    Yes they had to sell Bale for a reported eighty five million, which brings Spurs actual spending to a figure of twenty million, still not bad business.
    Well! as far as ambition, we are in a good place right now, being the eighth wealthiest squad in the league (at least according to “Transfermakt”) and sitting in eighth place in the league.
    But I certainly wouldn’t become complacent as having seem a number of games and with a number of surprises, one has to say on any given day any side in this division can be beaten and by Christmas we should have a better idea of who will be fighting relegation and who will be challenging for the top spot.

  17. And we got Remy on loan and that doesn’t make any sense either.

    And then there was Brentan telling Andy and Downing they weren’t going to get a game with him in charge and pretty much guaranteeing a 35 mil loss (smart guy?). But then he changed his mind about Downing and played him anyway and then sold him for a 14 mil loss.

    Go figure :)

  18. Oh, Chuck. If you have watched Liverpool this season, it seems Brentan has been borrowing from Alan’s half time notes. They were killing Villa and Swans until Brentan had a word.

  19. GS
    Well whether it makes sense or not to you, the fact is Vn Wolfswinkel, was a decent buy for Hughton.

    Lukaku blew it when he missed “the penalty” and completely pissed Mourinho off.
    Therefore he is being tough a lesson, that this is a serious business.

    Moses is possibly not completely ready, but both players will learn under good managers and return to Chelsea as more serious and technically improved players.
    And Mourinho usually goes with a fairly small squad and probably doesn’t want to deal with ego’s looking for starts.

  20. GS Remy is and has been a proven scorer, he has good pace and technique, though we haven’t yet seen it, due to his missing out on spring training.
    But I can assure you he will get his goals.
    Whether that might induce Newcastle to attempt to sign him permanently or go for another striker remains to be seen.

  21. GS
    lets talk football, not Brentan, the guys name is Brendan and I recognize a dig when I see it, but I know you cant reist.

  23. @20: agreed. I don’t get why Chelsea would loan 2 good players to the Mersey Boys if they think they are good players? Chelsea must think they are odds on for the league.

    Like I know anything :) but I would play Mata.

  24. Worky: me and wor Chuckster are playing nice – that’s a first :) Maybe Pardew will keep the ball on the ground?

    I don’t mind Santon on the left. We all know what he does (cut back inside) but he is still a good player.

  28. TAE: I am not trying to defend Worky, but the silver pox is a total gobshite. That Ashley is a bigger gobshite does not hide that fact.

  29. TOONARMYELITE says:
    September 18, 2013 at 7:45 pm

    “http://www.themag.co.uk/the-mag-articles/reported-ashley-cut-backroom-staff-blocked-any-new-additions-as-well-as-no-player-signings/? you do a blog attacking pards but not a blooming word about this”

    What’s the story there, Toon? Most of us know that Pardew said:

    “A marquee signing would have taken us into our overdraft facility. That was something we really didn’t want to do, although there were two or three bids that went in that would have definitely put us in that.

    “There was the will there, but I don’t want to say any more than that. I don’t want to affect our fans any more than they’ve been affected. They’re disappointed, but we still carry a team that can have a successful season.”

    The story you linked to was a shite story about a shite story which was inspired by Pardew’s words above, and the fact that a photographer (I think it was a photographer) who had been at SJP for 19 years had been laid off. the rest was just looked like made up guff.

    So Toon, what’s the point in writing a shite story about about a shite story about a shite story which has been embellished by guff? :-)

  30. that shite story as you call it workey is the reason lambsee walked and is the reason we stuck with that prat jfk

  31. TOONARMYELITE says:
    September 18, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    “these constant attacks on pards are geting very petty now you an ashley backer workey”

    Eh???? I don’t understand that at all, Toon. Why should I be an “Ashley backer” because I wrote a story which you perceive to be an attack on Pardew? And why shouldn’t I write a story which examines the veracity of Pardew’s claims to the media?

  32. TOONARMYELITE says:
    September 18, 2013 at 8:30 pm

    “that shite story as you call it workey is the reason lambsee walked and is the reason we stuck with that prat jfk”

    How does that one work, Toon? What is your argument, and what is your evidence for that assertion?

    As for Llambias walking out, I think that was good thing. I find this revisionism about the wonderful Derek to be rather tedious, dishonest and insulting to my intelligence.

  33. lambsee walked the second fatboy told him we wernt geting Douglas,and would not be signing any1 permant

  35. TOONARMYELITE says:
    September 18, 2013 at 8:47 pm

    “lambsee walked the second fatboy told him we wernt geting Douglas,and would not be signing any1 permant”

    As I asked earlier, what is your evidence for that assertion, Toon?

  36. and wtf happened to judgeing the dude on this season results not last season results,so much for a fair crack of the whip eh

  37. TAE: whatever he does will not erase the 6-0 HOME defeat to AndyMac’s red bindippers.

    Have we ever been beat 6-0 at home before? And stayed in our own f2cking half for the whole f#cking game?

    I judge the window replacement man on that. If we do anything this year it will be despite him, not because of him. He is a total tw@t, a gobshite and an arrselicker.

  38. GS, Apart from them flaws, He’s alright?, You would think you didn’t like our esteemed leader, For some reason lol.

    Aye Pardew “The Winda’ Man”, I bet he wishes, “You Buy One, You get Free!, I said! , You Buy One, You Get One Free!”
    When January comes around.

  39. Amazing to me that some folks still don’t get that Pardew and Ashley are birds of a feather.

    worky-I see you’ve tired of explaining what a false dichotomy is too…

  41. joe hawkins says:
    September 18, 2013 at 9:55 pm (Edit)

    “GS, Apart from them flaws, He’s alright?, You would think you didn’t like our esteemed leader, For some reason lol.

    “Aye Pardew “The Winda’ Man”, I bet he wishes, “You Buy One, You get Free!, I said! , You Buy One, You Get One Free!”
    When January comes around.”

    Joe, for the benefit of GS and the Yanks who might not understand what your strange “windaman” BOGOF references. :-)

  42. I have never seen that before but I remember an ad about hoping they had chips and “you can’t do better than a quik fit tosser”?

  43. Worky, When i wrote that, I didn’t think anyone would have known what it was.
    I thought it was just a small regional advert, I didn’t know if it went out in the smoke.

    What’s always bugged me is, Why the strange sort of “Town Crier” robes?

  46. Well it looks like Simon Bird couldn’t get Ashley to talk to him, At the S****S D****T A.G.M.
    Apparently he noticed him, And done a disappearing act, Stage right, And out of the fire exit!

  47. GS

    Most people use a form of special pleading, while engaged in argument.
    Counting on the oppositions ignorance.
    Even State prosecutor’s who often have access to evidence that has not been presented to the defense.
    Illegal ? only if the defense remain ignorant.

  48. GS, FFS man!

    http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Category:Logic

    GS says:
    September 18, 2013 at 9:11 pm

    “TAE: whatever he does will not erase the 6-0 HOME defeat to AndyMac’s red bindippers.”

    It’s isn’t fair or right to judge him solely on that, there have been far better managers than Pardew who have suffered bad defeats. Judge him instead on a career of mediocrity, arrogance and seemingly endless torrents of pure drivel.

  49. GS

    As for the Beeb version of “The Office” it was a favorite of mine, though I have yet to watch it’s US counterpart.
    What was it in particular that made me enjoy it ?
    The amount of non verbal comedy, looks, glances, facial expressions, body language, that said much more than could be described verbally.

  51. joe hawkins says:
    September 18, 2013 at 11:07 pm

    “Worky, When i wrote that, I didn’t think anyone would have known what it was.
    I thought it was just a small regional advert, I didn’t know if it went out in the smoke.

    “What’s always bugged me is, Why the strange sort of “Town Crier” robes?”

    Joe, you usually see it in with all the payday lending and “where there’s blame, there’s a claim” adverts on the smaller channels.

    I divven’t knaa wtf that coat’s all about, Joe. Just a memorable gimmick I presume? The window wizard or something like that?

  53. tunyc says:
    September 18, 2013 at 10:20 pm

    “worky-I see you’ve tired of explaining what a false dichotomy is too…”

    It just gets so tedious and annoying when people think they being clever by using logical fallacies, they’re actually proving they’re the exact opposite.

  56. GS-not a lawyer though I work with them. I have a geeky love of logic-took a couple classes, plus my advisor in college got me into rhetoric via studying classical orators. I enjoy pointing out the flaws in the self-serving, illogical arguments my coworkers use. It irritates some of them, which I enjoy even more.

    The window hawker is class. The difference between British & American culture must seem hairsplittingly minute to, say, the Chinese. Joe @ 43-the town crier robes MAKE that ad!

    Chuck @ 49: the U.S. version of the office is very different. I still enjoy it but the whole tone isn’t the same without Gervais (whose work I do not always love).

  57. tunyc says:
    September 19, 2013 at 3:15 pm

    “I have a geeky love of logic”

    Everyone should have a geeky love of logic, they should teach it in schools as it’s importance cannot be overestimated. The fact that most people cannot tell the difference between real logic and phony logic keeps leading us into one disaster after another.

    “Chuck @ 49: the U.S. version of the office is very different. I still enjoy it but the whole tone isn’t the same without Gervais (whose work I do not always love).”

    When it comes to cringeworthy comedy from that side of the pond I like that “Curb your enthusiasm.”

    “The window hawker is class. The difference between British & American culture must seem hairsplittingly minute to, say, the Chinese. Joe @ 43-the town crier robes MAKE that ad!”

    I met an American once who was over here for the first time and she expressed amazement at extravgance of the TV ads over here, though not the one above obviously! That one’s more the equivalent of the loud guy pushing his used car lot over there.

  58. Worky: get back to boxing. This is a boxing blog after all.

    We have to be able to beat Hull. Ben Arfa could beat them by himself. Don’t talk to me about Stevenage or Brighton, or Sunderland :)

    Worky @48. We didn’t all go to posh skools ya knaa.

    The 6-0 was the final nail in Pardew’s coffin for me. You are twisting what I said.

  59. What a loads of bull s##t 40 16 and 11 dose not add up to 66 for a start and what the hell is wrong with you lot of moaning vast##ds we have got off to a good start and all you lot do is moan. I bet if we won the premiership you lot would still find something to moan about. Now I think its about time we all accept team and management are staying as it is and no amount of moaning will change that so let’s get behind the team ok

  60. tonytoon says:
    September 19, 2013 at 4:45 pm

    “What a loads of bull s##t 40 16 and 11 dose not add up to 66 for a start”

    Cheers tony, you’re right! I made a typo regarding the amount of Everton Cup games played, entering 16 instead of 15, though it doesn’t make alot of diffrerence really. I’m checking the whole table against the orignal data and I am correcting it now. Thanks for pointing it out!

    Really sorry about that, I have alot on my mind ATM.

  62. @61: they replaced the picture on MSN. The previous one had the pope with a bunch of dogs in Vatican city.

  63. Tony, I have gone through the whole thing now.

    Basically, it was was one extra Everton game which shouldn’t have been there. It has knocked the odd bit off the decimal point so now Everton’s home win percentage is 60.00% to within two decimal places rather than 60.odd%. As I mentioned earlier, it doesn’t really make a huge difference either way.

  64. GS says:
    September 19, 2013 at 6:15 pm

    “Dog day at the Vatican.”

    Not to be confused with “Dog day afternoon” where Al Pacino holds up a bank to pay for his boyfriend’s sex change operation.

  66. Nope, the table was right all along after all. It was just one typo error in one of the cells which didn’t affect any of the other results as those values were taken from the original (correct) calculations.

    What a waste of time!

  68. Worky

    Yes I enjoy “curb your enthusiasm” of course it is a very Jewish type humor, that is also very Noo Yawkish and not for everyone.
    Even though the series is based in LA.
    I think it’s made by “HBO” who have a history of doing good stuff over the last few years.
    There are certain situations (The Office) where serialized shows are given a local flavor, it works both ways, but few travel well.
    Usually something gets lost in the process and few are successful.
    The one I detested most of all was the “Archie Bunker” show, a copy of “Steptoe and Son” I believe.
    It was open season for bigotry, though the idea was to make fun of a bigot, thereby defusing his bigoted ranting and at the same time educating those watching who didn’t know the difference.
    But I find I have little patience for viewing of stations that carry commercials, I guess I should just pre record a choice of programs, then skip the commercials, but it’s just too much trouble.
    I found that over the last few years when I dumped my old tv and never replaced it while on my summer holidays on your side of the pond, I haven’t missed it.
    And it gives me time to do plenty of interesting stuff.
    Try it, maybe you will like it.

  70. Oh my God, Chuck. OMG.

    Steptoe and Son was brought over here as Sanford and Son. Archie Bunker is Alf Garnett. You going senile, or what?

  71. Chucky says:

    “But I find I have little patience for viewing of stations that carry commercials”

    Chuckleberry, you have very little patience for anything, except for your own views.

  72. As another OT – congratulations to Durham for them winning the county championship division one winners.

  73. pete_toon: chuckster will tell Durham how to bowl a googly next. OMG, he already did. LOL, OMG and some other texting thing.

  74. Googlies are really difficult to bowl. I bowled leg spin and it was much easier to toss down a straight ball or off spin.

    Before you ask, El Chuckshisowndick, I was quite good at the legspin. I took nine wickets for about 40 in the London Leagues a few times.

  75. chuck says:
    September 19, 2013 at 7:53 pm

    “Yes I enjoy “curb your enthusiasm” of course it is a very Jewish type humor, that is also very Noo Yawkish and not for everyone.”

    Of course it’s pretty Jewish, but I don’t like it because it conforms to some tradition or other, I like it because it’s different. Speaking from over here, I could also say it’s about how PC people try to be over there (I know you love that sort of thing!), apart from Larry David of course who is the exact opposite with disastrous (and very funny) results.

    “I think it’s made by “HBO” who have a history of doing good stuff over the last few years.
    There are certain situations (The Office) where serialized shows are given a local flavor, it works both ways, but few travel well.”

    We tend to just show the American shows rather than adapting them and yes, those HBO cable shows are popular and highly regarded over here. Of course, it’s different for the quiz shows with contestants and stuff like that. We used to import alot of show ideas from over there like ‘The Price is Right,’ ‘Sale of the century’ or ‘The Dating Game’ (‘Blind Date’ over here) but it’s pretty much the other way ’round nowdays with stuff like ‘Who wants to be a millionaire’ and all those dreadful talent shows we send your way!

    “The one I detested most of all was the “Archie Bunker” show, a copy of “Steptoe and Son” I believe.”

    ‘All in the family’ and Archie Bunker the old bigot was taken from Alf Garnett and “In sickness and in health,” Chuck. I believe that Steptoe and Son became ‘Sanford and Son’ over there? Although there wasn’t really any bigotry in Steptoe and Son. I don’t really remember those particular American shows over here, I watched shows about In sickness and in health and Steptoe and Son and that’s what they said.

    “It was open season for bigotry, though the idea was to make fun of a bigot, thereby defusing his bigoted ranting and at the same time educating those watching who didn’t know the difference.”

    There were several shows like that over here in the Seventies, not just Alf who started earlier back in the sixties. One other was “Love thy neighbour,” which centres around the old story of the black family moving in next door. Another which had alot of that kind of subtext in it was “Rising Damp” about a sleazy landlord called ‘Rigsby’ and his tenants, including a very posh, suave and intelligent black chap called Philip.

    Nowadays, some mistkenly perceive them as being “racist” when they were actually the exact opposite. Although there were undoubtedly problems with that sort of thing at the time, writers tended to be an intelligent progressive, bohemian lot who were actually showing the stupidity of racist bigots in an age when those idiots felt more comfortable about using openly racist language.

  76. Worky @75, you are getting as bad as Chuck. I said @70:

    “Steptoe and Son was brought over here as Sanford and Son. Archie Bunker is Alf Garnett. You going senile, or what?”

  77. It’s OK though Worky – I know you don’t read everything I write.

    Kermit and Mr. Robinson are not kiddy fiddlers, unlike Jimmy, Freddy (and Rolf?). And I am not sure about that Rod Hull either, he sort of liked to grab people.

  78. Worky: you don’t think “Love Thy Neighbour” was racist. So what do you know. Just because they portray black people as smart doesn’t mean it is not racist for f@ck’s sake.

  79. And the white guy was the stupid one, and the wives got along and made fun of the men in Love Thy Neighbour. Stereotypes.

    I cant believe that as smart as you are you don’t see the closet racism. It wasn’t the opposite. It was a cheap rip-off of ’til death us do part.

  80. You also defended “Mind your Language” as smart writing, in the culturely aware ’70s. F@ck. You don’t know what you are talking about sometimes.

  82. Mind your “nignog” FFS, for fuck sake, Worky. You crawl up your one politically correct ars@hole sometimes.

  85. Haha I love it gs that’s a good one I can’t believe I done that when I was giving someone else stick for making mistakes what a tool I am!!!! But still quite funny even if the joke is on me.

  87. GS says:
    September 19, 2013 at 10:27 pm

    “You also defended “Mind your Language” as smart writing”

    I didn’t mention “Mind your Language” at all, GS.

  91. He admitted to the fact, That he regularly raids the biscuit tin, In the dead of night.
    The daft cnut wants to get himself on a diet, Because he does look like “Mrs Doubtfire”!

  92. Please let us beat Hull. Please let us beat Hull. Stevie B’s patter is even worse than Alan’s and I don’t want to hear it if they win.

  93. joe hawkins says:
    September 20, 2013 at 10:35 am

    “He admitted to the fact, That he regularly raids the biscuit tin, In the dead of night.”

    He’s no stranger to the fridge door.

  95. According to Alan Goebbels, We should beat every team at home!, Very optimistic by Walter Mitty.
    He wins a couple of games, And he thinks he’s Bertie Big Bollox!

  96. GS, That’s a bold statement to say Mrs Doubtfire’s patter is worse than Alan Goebbels.
    Personally i can put up with Bruce’s patter, Long before Pardew’s!
    I think if we play like we dis against Villa, We should dispatch Hull and what ever else they have added to their name now.
    What is it now, Hull Tigers, Or something or other?

  97. BBC are saying we will be without steven taylor, shola and guti tomorrow as if it’s bad news i think its GREAT

  98. Worky/GS

    Yes of course that seems appropriate, but as I never watchd either Sanford and son, or the Alf garnet series, what do I know.
    But I just remember hating that whole Archie bunker thing.

    Worky

    I think it’s about time to chastise GS as he is off the reservation, obviously not taking his medication, or taking too much medication and becoming a bit aggressive.

  99. Interesting article in to days news concerning PL sides using lower league sides as feeder clubs.
    Though I haven’t given it much thought, I believe I mentioned that some time ago.
    Actually in reference to our using Gateshead as a place to park and develop our young prospects.
    As long as our home games didn’t coincide it could result in a boost for Gatesheads gates.
    Possibly better than playing reserve games, which I doubt anyone pays much attention to.
    Though I assume it would perhaps cost a bit more than the present youth and reserve sides operation, seems it could be run in a more professional manner and generate more interest locally.

  100. Joe H.

    Yeah I get the impression that the feelgood factor is running high with Pardew.
    Two wins against bottom sides has transformed the side into the new RM of the PL.
    God help us, if we make it three in a row, by beating another nowhere side.
    I guess this is a cunning plan by Ashley to force Pardew to now accept the England Manager position, as it’s almost certain to be offered to him.
    Being Woy ain’t doing that great, is he ?
    Think of how ideal he would be for the job, probably look great in a blazer, grey hair and the three lions badge (curious, where and why did Engerland decide on three lions, thought it was a lion and a unicorn, gotta say no one beats them when it comes to heraldic nonsense, they are in a league of their own))
    And of course he would be great at explaining what went wrong and how it wasn’t his fault and how he would win the world cup , European championship, et al, next time around.
    Meanwhile Ashley would have him off the payroll and Bruce firmly installed as manager, or god forbid Clark.
    Yep think of it onwards and upwards, with a cupboard full of silverware.

  101. Chuck says:

    “I think it’s about time to chastise GS as he is off the reservation, obviously not taking his medication, or taking too much medication and becoming a bit aggressive.”

    Is this pot and kettle time Chucky?

  102. Chuck why do you constantly look for arguements on the internet? with people you have never met? what do you possibly hope to gain? i would understand if you was 13 but your not i think it’s about time you grew up sir.

  104. Worky

    Yeah Larry David is a naturally funny guy and a great raconteur.
    Whether you liked it or not he was the writing behind the very successful “Seinfeld” series.
    He was a guest on one of the talk shows and was telling the story about, how he had a disagreement with the producer (he being a writer at that time) and handed in his resignation.
    That evening he received so many calls from friends telling him he was crazy for quitting a great job.
    That he had second thoughts.
    So he just returned the next day and sat in on the early meeting until the producer asked, didn’t you quit yesterday ?
    To which he pretended it was all a joke which then wasn’t persued by the producer, probably because he would have had difficulty finding anyone as good to replace him.
    True story, so he claimed.

  106. worky @ 75: yeah, the Jewishness of Larry David’s humor certainly isn’t a problem for its accessibility. Just ask the millions upon millions of Seinfeld fans. Curb Your Enthusiasm is, as a friend of mine put it, basically the same humor as Seinfeld but on cable.

    As for shows like “All in the Family”-they had an authenticity and willingness to make comments to them that comes across as bigoted or racist to folks who have bought into PC culture which is, in a word, bullshit. Consider the episode where Mike brings to dinner his friend, who dodged the draft during the Vietnam war. His interaction with the Archie Bunker character, a WWII vet, is probably the most honest and well-presented considerations of that phenomenon I’ve seen in pop culture. Now most prefer bland fantasies that are actually completely unrelatable-but hey, that doesn’t matter if you don’t even try to go beyond passive consumption. God, I hate PC. At its core is insipid glorification of victimhood. Ugh.

    /rant

  107. This is going to be an enlightenment for me tomorrow. I honestly cant name a single player in the Hull City Tigers squad. Danny Graham? – but he is not theirs.

    I cant name anybody in Sunderland’s squad either as they changed them all in the summer. Cattermole? Darren Bent? Sausages?

  108. To use a stupid American term, the Hull match feels like a real trap. Pardew doesn’t have a good record at not falling into traps.

    Yes, Steve the Bruce is even more impressively rotund these days. FFS, the absurdity of world-class athletes being run through training by Jabba the f’in Hut.

  109. chuck says:
    September 20, 2013 at 2:58 pm

    “Worky

    I think it’s about time to chastise GS as he is off the reservation, obviously not taking his medication, or taking too much medication and becoming a bit aggressive.”

    I usually just wait until he sobers up, Chuck. He says he hates that “Rodzilla” and yet he’s quite like him when he’s had a few.

  115. GS says:
    September 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “This is going to be an enlightenment for me tomorrow. I honestly cant name a single player in the Hull City Tigers squad. Danny Graham? – but he is not theirs.”

    Ever heard of Steve Harper? Tom Huddlestone? Maynor Figueroa? The great Abdoulaye Faye (though he’s a reserve for the reserves nowadays)?

  117. @113 none of them played for Hull last year so I am not surprised at all that I didn’t know they played for them after 4 games this year. Is Harper even playing?

  118. So, I went to see “meet the Millers” last weekend. The only funny bit in it was that they named their fake baby “LeBron”. It made me think about how many Keegans are walking around Newcastle now. And there was that Liverfool fan who named his kid after the whole 1986 team.

    Worky: it is so funny that I went into mediation because I mentioned a few names from another site. I don’t blame you for blocking them – they are f@cking idiots.

  119. tunyc

    Are you saying you actually liked the Archie Bunker show and that it had some kind of redeeming quality.
    I heard your anti PC rant, but not all forms of PC are despicable, in fact if you ever thought about it both they and the Archie Bunker show were attempting to send out the same message, though in differing ways.
    Now I have to admit I saw very little of the actual series, being I just happen to have a little understanding of bigotry and how it works and certainly don’t need to be exposed to it in it’s basest form, to learn what it’s about, perhaps others do .
    Apparently in your case it was different, having watched “an honest and well presented consideration of that phenomenon you have seen in pop culture”
    I’m referring to the draft dodger and the WW2 vet.,
    which of course I missed.
    Ermm, I guess our standards are a bit different I suppose.

    I don’t get what you mean by “the Jewishness of Larry David’s humor certainly isn’t a problem for it’s accessibility” ?

    Being that Larry David was the writer of both series,
    might have something to do with it.

  120. What is that “Owen the Sheepshagger” joke? And you shag one sheep?

    I am sober now Worky and I am still the same. Have a good time with Chuck.

  121. Chuck says:

    “Now I have to admit I saw very little of the actual series, being I just happen to have a little understanding of bigotry”

    Really? But you spout on about the show like you know what you are talking about :)

  123. Dokka

    I Didn’t ask for any attention from you, you initiated it @101#
    Now you continue to insult me, lighten up guy, it’s just mindless banter, nothing to be taken serious.
    And I can reassure you I’m anything but sad.

  124. Chuck says @104 and 121:

    “Dokky

    Grow up !

    GS

    Time for your medication.”

    I get the mindless bit, but I don’t get the banter bit.

  125. GS

    I have attempted to initiate some directions we could follow on here , however no one appears interested.
    Even tried to inject some humor, but no one bit.
    You only appear to be interested in exchanging insults and accusations about either my age, personal state of mind, even been accused of being a politically correct type of chappie.
    All of which are nonsense and if this is the best I can elicit from youse guys, you can hardly blame me for going elsewhere, later!

  126. Chuck: is it your job to “initiate some directions we could follow on here”?

    You shag one sheep and you are known as “Chuck the Sheep shagger”.

  127. And more from Chuck:

    “Dokka

    I Didn’t ask for any attention from you, you initiated it @101#”

    You are on a blog dumbkopf. Everybody on the internet can see it. I give up even talking to you.

  130. Hull: Current squad

    Position

    Player

    1 Scotland GK Allan McGregor
    2 England DF Liam Rosenior
    3 Honduras DF Maynor Figueroa
    4 Northern Ireland DF Alex Bruce
    5 England DF James Chester
    6 England DF Curtis Davies
    7 Republic of Ireland MF David Meyler
    8 England MF Tom Huddlestone
    9 England FW Danny Graham (on loan from Sunderland)
    10 Slovenia MF Robert Koren (Captain)
    11 Republic of Ireland MF Robbie Brady
    12 England FW Matty Fryatt
    14 England MF Jake Livermore (on loan from Tottenham Hotspur)
    15 Republic of Ireland DF Paul McShane
    16 Switzerland GK Eldin Jakupović

    No.

    Position

    Player

    17 Scotland MF George Boyd
    18 Egypt FW Gedo (on loan from Al-Ahly)
    19 Northern Ireland DF Joe Dudgeon
    20 Ivory Coast FW Yannick Sagbo
    21 England FW Aaron McLean
    22 England GK Steve Harper
    23 Senegal DF Abdoulaye Faye
    24 Nigeria FW Sone Aluko
    27 Egypt MF Ahmed Elmohamady
    29 Republic of Ireland MF Stephen Quinn
    32 Antigua and Barbuda FW Calum Jahraldo-Martin
    33 Germany FW Nick Proschwitz
    — England GK Joe Cracknell
    — Northern Ireland MF Dougie Wilson

  132. Curtis Davies, who, didn’t he play for Brum or Coventry? Matty Fryatt? They are going to play Eldon Square next?

    Archie Bunker?

  138. Some seem to take it for granted that because you may take the credit for introducing a sport to the world, that you will continue to dominate that sport thereafter.
    Ain’t been the way in Rugby, Tennis, Cricket or Association Football, possibly Darts, as most billiard players seem to have names that begin with a Mc or an O’.
    Anyway the fact that foreign players now dominate the EPL, how can we continue to call it that, why not ‘The International League’, as some on these blogs take umbrage when I refer to the EPL.
    And what can we do about introducing more home grown talent to the league, as some find it unacceptable to have to hire Johnny Foreigner when we could be using our own boys, sort of like the Polish plumbers, who did a good job for half the price, when the home grown opposition found it difficult to show up before ten am.
    Fact is when the right policies are followed, as in the last Olympics, where the UK’s haul of medals matched that of the biggest and the best.
    It’s all about mismanagement of resources, while the French Academy turn’s out so many good players for a mediocre league, where most players stay only until they are snapped up by sides like…you got it!
    In turn there is little being done to counter that in the UK, other than hey, lets hire the Frenchies and Spaniards and Dutch etc. and while we are at it lets hire their managers also, cause our guys are still playing a game that went out of style in the seventies.
    Well for attentions sake only, perhaps that’s a bit harsh, but there is some truth in it for those who are concerned about the national side.
    But hang on, it’s many years since England were expected to win a World Cup, yeah I know the press believe England has a chance every four years, but no one really believes it any more likely than Wales, Scotland or either of the (ridicules)two Irish sides, winning it.
    Ah well whatta ya gonna do ?

  139. Chuck: 127 (you cant even get numbers correct). Can you make any less sense? Chuck, chuckledoodledandy is asking for a gag order????????????? Do I have to explain how contradictory that is?

  140. And then:

    “Some seem to take it for granted that because you may take the credit for introducing a sport to the world, that you will continue to dominate that sport thereafter.
    Ain’t been the way in Rugby, Tennis, Cricket or Association Football, possibly Darts, as most billiard players seem to have names that begin with a Mc or an O’.
    Anyway the fact that foreign players now dominate the EPL, how can we continue to call it that, why not ‘The International League’, as some on these blogs take umbrage when I refer to the EPL.

    Oh, you had a point.

    It took you a while to get there old man.

  142. Time Warner 10am eastern on one of the channels between 370 & 374 the NBC channels. for those in NY with T.W.

    The Sunday games.
    Schedules can be found on line at “NBCSports.com/ExtraTime”

    Not much left of the original Fox Soccer channel, which is now a general sports channel 123# and if you are into rugby, try Fox Sports Plus, which also shows the SPL games.
    Of course you can also find South American, German, French and Spanish leagues by scouting around.

    This resulting in Fox being outbid by the other network giant, NBC, who although they show a number of games simultaneously, have no pre or post game shows.
    And other than by checking on line no on screen data being available.

  144. Chuck says @135:

    “Nipping on the wodka bottle again I see.”

    Vodka is too tame to put up with you. Need a f@cking crack pipe.

  145. Chuck: OMG. they had the Champions League games on Fox, but it is now called “Fox Sports One”. NBC Sports have pre games as well as a “match of the day” after show and other highlights of the “BPL”.

    I cant tell if you are going senile or not now.

    They don’t show the games simultaneously on NBC, you have to get them on “on demand”. Christ on a bike, you don’t know what you are talking about.

  147. Ban me Worky, as old Chuck says? I will go to Ed’s blog and mash my mind up :)

    I spose I have been a bit aggressive to him, but he does deserve it. He is a pitiful wank of a man.

  149. I will change the subject.

    Do you think we will win? I think there is a 95-99 per cent possibility.

    If STevie B is in goal I would change that to 5% as he would block the whole thing, apart from the 5%-1%.

  150. GS @ 117: you seem to be reveling in what you don’t know…you’ve officially been in the U.S. too long.

  152. chuck @ 119: your unformatted walls of text are killing me. I want to respond like the Spartan to the Athenian who delivered an elaborate speech in their assembly requesting aid against the Persians:

    I don’t understand the end of what you said and I don’t remember the beginning.

    Yes-I believe All In The Family has value as art and commentary. A dog-whistle activated fear of bigotry is not the same as understanding. Let’s agree to disagree.

  155. tunyc says:
    September 20, 2013 at 3:56 pm

    “God, I hate PC. At its core is insipid glorification of victimhood. Ugh.”

    Nietzsche was best on that kind of thing, though it wasn’t quite so “PC” back in his time!

    Probably the opposite of PC but one modern phrase which makes me fume more than anything else is that Neo-Con term “moral equivalence” which is used quite alot now. It’s actually racism in the extreme, but politicians and interviewers use it so often nowadays to express indignation every time someone tries to compare Western, usually white guys murdering Arabs or people of other ethnicities around the world to the same thing happening the other way ’round.

    “But surely you’re not saying there’s a moral equivalence between blah blah…”

    Always gets me wanting to throw something at the TV when I hear that.

  156. tunyc

    I will make it easier in future for you to

    read , how does this suit you ?

    Throwing in some nonsense about the Greek City States by the way, adds little to too your argument.

    Sorry! I just cant take anyone (who considers that All in the family has both art and value) seriously.

  157. GS @ 151: Ah, the Cubs. The deal with the devil was apparently that while Chicago got everything else, St. Louis got the best ball club in the midwest. They save me from completely giving up on supporting sports clubs.

    worky @ 155: moral equivalence. When I hear it used, I can only ask “but what does that actually MEAN?!” I’ve yet to get a decent answer. To be fair, I’m often saying it to a TV screen when I’m alone in a dark room with a tumbler of brown liquid…I’m with rhetoric like Hitchcock was with commercials: love it and hate it at the same time. I have to admit that I can see how it’s enjoyable to manipulate the simple-minded.

  158. chuck @ 156: Are you serious? Please tell me that ghetto-ass format is an ironic joke. Oh wait, you’re from the pre-irony generation.

    But don’t take my blog comment ramblings seriously-really, I don’t mind. Seriously.

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