Cisse too sexy for the Newcastle shirt, said Fred. Right?

Posted on May 4th, 2012 | 67 Comments |

Freddy Shepherd says clubs will be after Newcastle United striker Papiss Cisse.
Catch of the season?
One-time Newcastle United chief Freddy Shepherd has been putting a downer on things by suggesting that Papiss Cisse could be sold in the summer, but how much truth is there in that?

Ex-Toon phlebotomist Freddy Shepherd seems to think our chances of hanging on to resident goal-merchant Papiss Cisse will be slim this summer and suggests that we may receive offers too good to refuse for the player. Shepherd had this to say about our prospects of keeping the player:

It’s impossible, if they want to go, it’s no good keeping them. I think there may be an offer Newcastle can’t refuse for Cisse coming in.

However, there’s an important part of his statement we shouldn’t overlook and that’s: if they want to go. There is perhaps an even more important thing that Shepherd didn’t mention and that’s if Ashley wants him go because when all said and done that will be the deciding factor.

I can’t say for certain what Cisse wants of course but my guess would be that, with a good finish under our belts this season and some sort of European football to look forward to, he might just fancy staying with the club. There’s always the risk that a club like Man City or Chelsea – or maybe even Spurs or Arsenal – would offer a big wage and a better finish (this season, anyway) to try and tempt him away, but we’re not too far from the running ourselves and our club could be seen as one on the up. Maybe Cisse would choose to stay with us anyway.

So it then comes down to the idea of a ludicrous offer and how that might tempt Ashley, as was the case with Carroll. I suppose it depends how ludicrous any sort of offer is. If Carroll was worth £35m to Liverpool then I’d wager that Cisse must be worth at least that if not more. Although in a sense I think Carroll was a bit of a one-off, sold to a club with a new manager desperate to make an impact. Right place right time and all that.

I know the realities of our club which, simply put, means it must pay for itself. But I don’t for one moment think Ashley would risk selling too many players and seeing us slip once again back to mediocrity. Even if his first concern is the advertising he gets for Sports Direct from Newcastle, his purposes are best served via a high profile for Newcastle United. So my guess is that Ashley would want to hang on to Cisse – and indeed the crux of the squad we have now – for next season.

Having said that, I don’t think he will compromise his financial principles and if players need to be sold to make those principles work then they certainly will be. I’m not party to the operating financials of the company, so I can’t say what particular budgets need which particular figures to balance them. Nevertheless, I wouldn’t be surprised if some players were sold, presuming the right figures were being bandied about in relation to them, although I’d like to think that Cisse won’t be one of them.

I could, for example, see Demba Ba leaving. He had a tough night on Wednesday but, by and large, he’s done an excellent job in his new role as the left side of a front three, but – as a striker – he lives for goals and I think his frustration at not having got one recently is fairly clear. I can see a team tempting him away with the lure of a permanent position at centre-forward. He’s done the job in a professional manner for us without kicking up any sort of fuss but I believe he would rather be the main front-man, which he would easily be first choice for in many clubs.

I don’t think anyone will be sold on the cheap though. It’s a bit like my hat: that’s been all over the world with me and you couldn’t buy it off me – all battered and scraggy looking – for what I paid for it. But it definitely has a price. Not too high a price if truth be told, but if we somehow readjusted the Newcastle United budget to my hat buying budget, I’d make you pay for it.

When all said and done, I’m less worried about wholesale selling at Newcastle than I was earlier in the season. I can see some players going if the price is right but I think we’ll strengthen in the necessary areas and hang on to the crux of the team that’s done so well for us this season.

As to next season, I have no idea what we can achieve. Our rise from relegation to mediocrity to relative success has been quick and there’s always the worry that this season is a one-off. Who knows? Maybe some judicious squad additions and the ironing out of some of the inconsistencies will make us even stronger next season. I’m certainly looking forward to finding out.

NUFCBlog Author: Hugh de Payen I'm a baby-boomer of the punk rock persuasion, currently exiled in Somerset for crimes committed in a previous life where locals keep trying to poison me with something called 'scrumpy'. Hates sprouts, coat-hangers, Cilla Black, ornaments, Steven Seagull movies and 50 Cent (he's not worth 10). Hugh de Payen has written 634 articles on this blog.

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67 Responses

  1. Your Articles are starting to become really boring. You call yourself a fan yet all you do is spread rumours that have no substance. Ok you do not like Mike Ashley well get over yourself.
    Spurs have the same problem with the likes of Bale and Modric. Arsenal with Clichy, Fabregas and Nasari, Man United with Ronaldo, Aston Villa with Barry, Young and Milner. Footballers are in the driving seat when it comes to transfers or playing when they want to play( Tevez) and they constantly chase the money. Football is also a business so get real.
    I take it from exiled you mean you don’t watch Newcastle. Stick to your Scrumpy.

  2. Think fat fredie shut shut his big trap meself the clubs nowt to do with you now so go crawl under that rock were you came from you fat useless twonk

  3. I believe a player will leave because he wants to not because the club wants the money.

    The Carroll price and his subsequent poor performances have probably put up a big caveat emptor sign above SJP to any club sniffing around.

    The club are in a very healthy financial position and getting healthier thanks to ending higher in the league, more televised games and qualification for Europe.

    Sports Direct is getting widespread coverage because of the success on the field. Mike is no mug and he ain’t going to upset that money applecart.

    Some fringe players will go for various reasons like Smith, Lovenkrands, Forster, Ranger and Kadar. Perhaps even Simpson if he doesn’t sign. Best could go too.

    I think we will add to our squad with quite a few signings now that we are in Europe.

    I think fat Freddy is just sour grapes seeing how Ashley and Llambias are showing him how to manage a club professionally.

  4. Blimey!! Looks like Grumpy Gary got turned down by their lass last night! LOL

    Aye, I saw Fat Fred’s comments reported yesterday Hugh. As you say, I doubt if even Ashley will sell Cisse unless the offer is astronomical and the lad has his head turned.

    His career in the EPL is still bedding in, and prospective buyers would need to concern themselves with whether he would continue to be as prolific next season. You’d think if he was the goalscoring superstar some media einsteins are trying to make out he is, he would have been picked up by a Real Madrid or a Barcelona before he got to the age of 26?

    Just a thought.

  5. Great article Hugh (sorry Gary you’re way off the mark with your derogatory comments)
    nothing i enjoy more than food for thought.A bit of philosophical thinking stops us becoming brain deax.

  6. think garys got a point, although this is simply a rehash the blogs here are turning in to sensationalist titles and nothing else. likely nufcblog will be added to the newcastlemad and the mag, pile of shi te pile.

  7. Having played for Newcastle & Wolfsburg already this year can Cisse play for another team? Or is the not playing for three clubs rule applied only to a season?

  8. wow, some people are moody this morning. It’s Friday people !

    There’s a price on everyones head – fact. Even Pardews!!

    Mike and Derek are no mugs, right price before players move on. Replacements can easily be found.

    And on that note I will say this…I have a very strong feeling* that we are going to go dutch this summer… watch this space !

    *yes ‘feeling’ – that is all !

  9. Looks like the blog here is actually doing exceptionally well – if others feel the pressure, and the need to come here and slag it off LOL!

    Well done Worky :)

  10. I’m Back!!

    Seems like we’ve been infiltrated by a few grumps in my absence!

    I enjoyed the article. What I usually do is stop reading if I’m not enjoying things.

    Like when your in the bog and forgot the reading material and all that’s available is the wife’s magazine. Sure the pictures of Cheryl Cole will certainly keep you occupied, but the article about her new shoes collection? Your not finishing that!

    Anyway, I think we are all aware that very player has his price, fortunately other managers know they’re not getting any bargains at Newcastle.

  11. First, Shepard’s an odious attention-seeker and that’s why he said this. It’s BS in terms of being based on anything, you know, specific or beyond what jerks like you and I know.

    I wouldn’t call it wholesale shipping out of players that I’m worried about. I’m more worried about overconfidence in our scouts ability to constantly identify cheaper, younger, better. If we’re offered 25M for Cisse, will Llambias be tempted to take it, feeling he could spend 9M on Luuk de Jong and do it all over again? I doubt it with Cisse; he’s so new and actually may increase his value with more time in the PL anyway. But I do worry about this with other players.

  12. ‘phlebotomist’- Nice!
    Blood-extractor!

    Only a regular hospital go’er would know that word!

    :lol:

  13. What? Posting blogs on current topics affecting or surrounding NUFC? How dare you? What outrage awaits us next? Topicality? Relevance? Uncomfortable truth? You’ll be telling us there are Newcastle United fans that are not only NOT Geordies, but not even English next! What is this blog coming to? How many question marks am I allowed to use???????

    Some people are right garys….er…. grumps I mean.

    FF should realise he is not part of the NUFC landscape any more, and get back to quoting the weighing-in price of steel or having his memoirs jotted down on 2 sides of A4 for Horse & Rider magazine. Twerp.

  14. I agree about the grumpies.

    If you don’t like the blog grumpies – stay away!! Simples!

    As for this being a “re-hash” article – bollocks!! The only “rehash” in there are the quotes from Freddie – the rest is Hugh providing some excellent analysis and opinion….that’s how good articles are written.

    Maybe they’re used to a lower standard of stuff erm *cough* in other blogs? It’s a bit of a compliment when they wander in here to see how it’s done properly :)

  15. “All to play for on Sunday when Man City visit St James’ Park,” “Still in the running!” “Big test of character for Toon on Wednesday,” “4th place may not be enough for the Champions League.”

    joppadoni’s right, Hugh, you should be ashamed of yourself for posting stories with such “sensationalist” titles. Go and stand on the naughty step! :lol:

  16. UTD111 says:
    May 4, 2012 at 4:41 pm

    “PS – if Freddie rides a horse, I feel sorry for the horse”

    I was thinking exactly the same thing when I read that earlier, UTD111. I think he likes buying carriages. Even so, I wouldn’t like to pull that bugger, even if I was a horse!

  17. Belfast Toon says:
    May 4, 2012 at 11:05 am

    “I’m Back!!

    Seems like we’ve been infiltrated by a few grumps in my absence!”

    Been anywhere exciting, Belfast Toon?

  18. As it happens I’m going to take Gary’s advice and get my face around a pint of Scrumpy this evening. Home-made stuff from a mate. My mate wants ‘feedback’ on it so I may have to find out how to email vomit.

  19. Utd, I’m not really sure of the whys and wherefores of ‘real’ Scrumpy (I’m a real ale man really). You may be right. This bottle of my mate’s looks suspiciously like a urine specimen to me. Maybe there’s been a mix-up and he sent the scrumpy to his GP and the specimen to me.

  20. Freddy got everyone wound up eh !
    He’s only telling it like it is.
    Listen, i’m tired of hearing that Ashley has invented a new way of running a football club.
    And that his type of fiduciary responsibility is the way to go.
    Fact is, it’s allways been about dosh.
    So where does that leave us ?
    There has to be a decission made whether this club wants to compete at the top levels of football, or remain a mid table also ran.
    In order to compete it will require spending money.
    Yeah i know we have made some excellent signings that came relatively cheap.
    But like Cisse, there are those clubs willing to spend big to attract them, with an added attraction if they are located in London or are a “Big Clubs”.
    Either that or you have to pay through the nose for their services, these are no longer the days when an Alan Shearer would turn down the likes of Man. U. to play for his home side ( see Andy Carroll)
    To-days players are more sophisticated and so are their agents.
    And yeah we got our great chief scout Carr, but to imagine that we alone as a club, will continue to recruit
    amazing young talent, for next to nowt and just sell off our star players for crazy money, is a pipe dream.
    But all depends on which way Ashley wants to go?
    It’s one thing to build a side cheaply, and another to hang on to them.
    Face it would most non UK players prefer the fleshpots of Land’n to the Athens of the NE ?
    Bet your ass they would.

  21. Hugh de Payen says:
    May 4, 2012 at 5:01 pm

    “This bottle of my mate’s looks suspiciously like a urine specimen to me.”

    Hugh, from what I can remember from my Cornish days, if it doesn’t look like a cystitis sufferer’s wee sample, then it isn’t proper scrumpy.

  22. Chuck says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    “Either that or you have to pay through the nose for their services, these are no longer the days when an Alan Shearer would turn down the likes of Man. U. to play for his home side ( see Andy Carroll)”

    But Alan Shearer didn’t turn down Manchester United, Chuck. That’s a piece of Geordie mythology.

  23. Chuck says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:09 pm
    Errmmm! did i stumble onto the Apple Cider appreciation blog here ?
    _______________________________________

    :)

    Mate, I think the stumbling happens AFTER the Scrumpy LOL!

  24. Either there are going to be big changes made to the playing staff of NUFC or a lotta bullshit concerning new recruits.
    We appear to be lining up both midfielders, forwards and defenders by the dozens.
    Does that mean we are going to sell big and are lining up replacements, or are we about to prepare for european football, with a bit more quality in the side?
    Perhaps someone should propose the question to either Wor Derick or Mick, that it would be nice to know what the clubs intentions are.
    After all even the movies and circus, advertse what to expect to their customers and football is showbuisiness aint it ?

  25. Falmouth 1957
    Scrumpy (rough cider) that not only could one drink, but get an occasional chew out of a lump of apple.
    So a meal and a drink fo 10pence a pint, not bad!

  26. UTD111 @4:

    I can think of two players who were relatively underappreciated until their mid-20s. Drogba and Beardsley. You are right though, if you haven’t made it by 26 you likely never will.

  27. Chuck says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:03 pm

    “Either that or you have to pay through the nose for their services, these are no longer the days when an Alan Shearer would turn down the likes of Man. U. to play for his home side ( see Andy Carroll)”

    But Alan Shearer didn’t turn down Manchester United, Chuck. That’s a piece of Geordie mythology.

    _____________________________________________

    Andy Carroll didn’t choose to leave his home side-that’s mythology too. Unless you believe 20-year-old potential meathead AC sat across the table from Derek “you don’t know how horrible we can be” Llambias and owned him in a negotiation. Think for yourselves, people.

  28. Chuck @28:

    You must have been on Ed’s blog where we are linked with every player on the planet, some of whom I’ve never even heard of.

  29. Chuck says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:27 pm

    “Falmouth 1957”

    That’s where I was Chuck. I used to paint naked ladies all day. Not in 1957 though, it was more like the mid eighties. When I was there, my Irish mate brought over some “Poitin.” Now that stuff should never be drunk by anyone under any circumstances!

  30. GS@30

    Aye – I take your point GS.

    I was kinda musing about Cisse this summer, and whether a so-called “big club” would spend the huge amount it would take to dislodge Cisse from NUFC on the basis of 4 good months in the EPL?

    The Andy Carroll saga should be a lesson to everyone. £35M for a player who, like Cisse, had done well in half a season in the EPL.

    PS I’m not saying Andy won’t come good – he’s just playing in a struggling Liverpool side with a crap manager…..

  31. Have’nt heard anything about Hoilett from us, but a lot of other clubs showing interest, could be we are working on a deal, hope so.
    Would also like to see a bid from us for young Johnson at Citeh, a local lad who has probably the best skills of any Geordie in the PL.
    Appears there’s another fire sale comming up at Citeh, especially if they lose the title race, in which case we should make sure by beating them come Sunday.

  32. All y’all doubting Thomas’s who think that scouts have not evaluated NUFC players this season, especially this last number of games.
    I got news for y’all.
    The figures have already been fixed and perhaps the bids are already in.
    Which if it appears we are signing a lot of recruits early in the window, means we are bringing in replacements, for those on their way, for possibly big bucks.
    Watch carefully who is brought in and you can project who’s on their way.

  33. OK Worky @33, why were you painting naked ladies all day? (don’t say because someone had to)

    I took a beginners sculture class a couple of years ago. 2nd session was with a nude model. Lucien Freud would have liked her.

  34. UTD111 says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    “I was kinda musing about Cisse this summer, and whether a so-called “big club” would spend the huge amount it would take to dislodge Cisse from NUFC on the basis of 4 good months in the EPL?”

    And two good years in the Bundesliga, UTD111, where he challenged Bayern Munich’s Mario Gómez as top scorer, clocked up the highest season total for any Freiburg player ever, and also more than any African player ever in the Bundesliga, including wor Demba over at Hoffenheim.

  35. A combination of cheap Australian plonk and scrumpie, guaranteed a good drunk for a few bob in the day.
    Described by one aficianado as the best thing since penecillin.

  36. As the original Grumpy, although I havn’t posted for some time I do enjoy reading the blog and have continued to do so.

    I think it’s great that people like Hugh, Worky, UDT and others are prepared to invest their time in making it (the blog) happen. As has been said before by others if you don’t want to read or are bored by the content then either don’t read it or input some content yourself, simples!!

    I’m still buzzing from that goal and would be gutted if Cisse was to leave as he is the most instinctive and natural goalscorer we have ever had. (possible article there)

    I should think the time is approaching for us to select our player of the season and for once we really are spoilt for choice. Love to see Ba get a hattrick against Citteh just to restablish his right to make a deserved claim for the aforementioned spot.

    Keep contibuting Hugh you and the rest of your fellow contributors have plenty of supporters.

  37. GS says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:53 pm

    “OK Worky @33, why were you painting naked ladies all day? (don’t say because someone had to)”

    I attended Falmouth School of Art, GS. I’d already picked up my preference for painting nudes from my time at Harrogate School of Art.

  38. workyticket says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:58 pm
    UTD111 says:
    May 4, 2012 at 6:38 pm

    “I was kinda musing about Cisse this summer, and whether a so-called “big club” would spend the huge amount it would take to dislodge Cisse from NUFC on the basis of 4 good months in the EPL?”

    And two good years in the Bundesliga, UTD111, where he challenged Bayern Munich’s Mario Gómez as top scorer, clocked up the highest season total for any Freiburg player ever, and also more than any African player ever in the Bundesliga, including wor Demba over at Hoffenheim.

    ________________________________________

    Yep – also 2 good years in which no so-called “big club” picked him up, which was my original point.

    And of course, in the arrogant English mind, the Bundesliga is so inferior to “the best league in the world” – where he must prove his quality first?

  39. UTD111: I watch the Bundesliga quite a bit and they put English crowds to shame, especially Dortmund and Schalke.

  40. I don’t disagree GS – was just making the point about the English Psyche – largely fuelled by an ignorant media :)

  41. This City team lacks something and I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe it is the mercenary aspect of it that makes it all feel a bit empty. It is not even that. I am annoyed that they are not really doing a good job of buying the league.

    With all your money, light up the league. Buy Messi. Buy Ronaldo, win it with style for f*cks sake.

    We should be fearful of playing them on Sunday and I am not.

    And…The Posnan…Puleeze!!!

  42. GS says:
    May 4, 2012 at 7:16 pm

    “UTD111: I watch the Bundesliga quite a bit and they put English crowds to shame, especially Dortmund and Schalke.”

    GS, Newcastle United and Schalke 04 have often been compared with each other, they’re the football mad pit yackas of Germany (well, the football mad ex pit yackas nowadays). Schalke’s home, Gelsenkirchen, is also twinned with Newcastle upon Tyne.

  43. GS @ 48

    The Posnan is not new.

    I first saw it by Royal Antwerp supporters in the corner between the Leazes and the Popular Side years ago (and they all did it with nee shirts on, not like those soft Mancs).

    Course, you can’t tell the London Media this because they’re all 23 yrs old and the world started 23 yrs ago…..

  44. The only time I have been to Manchester there was a gay pride weekend fest thingy down at the canal and an Oasis concert. Seeing Liam wearing his night-shades on Wednesday reminded me and that was a weird clash of cultures.

  45. Grumpy Old-Toom says:
    May 4, 2012 at 7:03 pm

    “As the original Grumpy, although I havn’t posted for some time I do enjoy reading the blog and have continued to do so.”

    Aye, I was wondering what’d happened to you, Grumpy. Where’s Supermac gone too?

  46. Worky, nothing exciting, a Chefing job for a mate took me away fro technology for a while. Back to the day job, for the government!

  47. Cheers for the link Stephen, very interesting bud!
    ;)

    Anyone seen the new away top?
    It’s burgundy!

  48. Worky, Hugh, UTD, – this is the only football blog I read and perhaps the only one read in Hollywood. It’s always interesting, frequently amusing – even hilarious, and your efforts and those of all who write on here, apart from grumpy Gary, are massively appreciated to a Toon fan greatly starved of the real thing out here in tinseltown. Please keep it up!

  49. Thanks Paul, and everyone else above for the kind words. I guess we’ll just have to keep gannin’ with all the misery then! :-)

  50. Belfast toon says:
    May 4, 2012 at 8:26 pm

    “Worky, nothing exciting, a Chefing job for a mate took me away fro technology for a while. Back to the day job, for the government!”

    Belfast, many years ago, after leaving Art College, I ended up doing a job as a chef to help a mate out. He was the the old chef and he had to eff off without any notice I seem to recall. I was a complete fraud, I had no certificates and burned beans on toast. With a struggle, I actually got to be quite good at it and my battered king prawns were the talk of the Harrogate Theatre crowd. Funny thing is though, when I finished, I went back to burning beans on toast again!

  51. worky,
    it’s strange, but tech does still seem to respond to the threat of violence!

    :)

  52. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    May 4, 2012 at 10:27 pm

    “worky,
    it’s strange, but tech does still seem to respond to the threat of violence!”

    Clint, I can say from experience that if you actually carry out the threat of violence on a pc though, that definitely doesn’t work!

  53. PAUL ON THE LEFT COAST

    Paul, puhleez! can we stop being so groveling, get a grip man.
    I’m sure the blog will still be here for the foreseeable future.
    For the most part NUFC blogs can be seperated into three different, catagories.
    Our US commenter, “all the way from the us folks”
    Then Toonsy
    Ah ! maybe a younger crowd, but i aint gonna endorse him (toonsy)for banning me from this actual forum a while back.
    Yes folks it just turns out, this blog is more interesting in general IMO.

  54. Paul in hollywood
    Pay little attention to what i said about you just craic, no real truth !

  55. Chuck, if you get to see this – bear in mind I’m bringing up the rear here and contemplanting breakfast when you’re already working through the daily ration of Amstel – but I just happened to read the “player ratings” against Chelsea the other night, and I see the French dazzler, HBA, was considered to have had a slightly off-game and received the lowest score of (a still fairly impressive) 7. I have to say Chuck, I did call it, even though it caused a certain gritting of the teeth and a spitting out of the dummy over there on the Right Coast!