JC looking to halt Toon’s Wembley trail?

Posted on December 17th, 2009 | 131 Comments |

Old boy makes Pilgrimage
Old boy makes Pilgrimage
Our path to FA Cup glory could be thwarted by an old acquaintance, if reports are true that former Newcastle United coach John Carver is back in football. It’s been mentioned on .com that JC is going to be assistant to Paul Mariner at Plymouth Argyle, who has taken charge after Paul Sturrock was removed from the Home Park hotseat.

Carver coached our reserves and academy sides, before being promoted to assistant to Sir Bobby Robson, and stepped in as Caretaker when Robson was sacked. When Souness got the job, he then moved onto Leeds as first team coach before once again stepping in as Caretaker for Kevin Blackwell, who he then followed to Luton Town before taking up the role of head coach at MLS side Toronto.

Having been mooted as a possible assistant to Shearer when he was in line for the Toon job on a full-time basis, Carver has been out of football since resigning in April from Toronto. It’s probably fair to assume he’ll have been keeping his options open but with the permanent appointment of Chris Hughton, and with Shearer not looking likely to take up a position anywhere else at present, Carver obviously sees this as an opportunity not to miss.

Of course, Plymouth is a canny hike from JC’s roots (but then not quite as far as Toronto). and with the greatest of respect probably not the most glamarous of clubs. However, they have been forwarded into the next round of venues for the 2018 World Cup bid and there is a chance that funding in view of this, could help push the club on.

And as ever in football, fate would have it that his new job pits him against his hometown club in January, when we travel to Home Park in the FA Cup Third Round. He wouldn’t dare spoil our plans, would he?

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  1. Would love to have john carver back at our club but i suppose hughton has to do the job his way, if only keegan was left to do the job his way.

  2. Anybody hear the Notts Forest game on Radio Newcastle? They had JC as summariser – very shrewd man. After only 18 minutes he announced “I’d take him off right now.” “He has no ball control, can’t keep it and it’s just coming back at us all the time.” Now he has improved somewhat but I’d send Marlon back to Villa asap!

  3. Does that mean he would chop & change more frequently?
    Dunno if that’s shrewd like, but it would sure keep some happy & be in keeping with our general lack of patience with our players.
    Boom boom.

  5. he’s good – he was pretty much shafted by the whole shearer debacle as he had just started work as a barrister and left because shearer had said it was nailed on that he would get the job on a full time basis – obviously they all got the heave ho and he’s been out of work since with hardly a goodbye from shearer – another cock up from the ashley / Llambias idiots
    To be honest I reckon Carver would do a good job on his own

  6. @Clint – reckon that means he wouldnt take players on loan tat can’t control the ball – thats the least you should expect for paying someone 40k a week

  7. Plymouth`s gain our loss, think we could have made room for him somewhere in the system, but guess no one is far sighted enough to recognize talent, only an extra salary.
    Thats how the club is being run , blind leading the blind.

  9. stevep says:
    December 17, 2009 at 1:52 pm

    “he’s good – he was pretty much shafted by the whole shearer debacle as he had just started work as a barrister and left because shearer had said it was nailed on that he would get the job on a full time basis – obviously they all got the heave ho and he’s been out of work since with hardly a goodbye from shearer – another cock up from the ashley / Llambias idiots”

    Sounds more like Shearer’s fault IF he said that, Steve.

  11. Chuck says:
    December 17, 2009 at 2:36 pm

    “Workey
    No of course not, dont even know how it appeared.
    Hows that ?”

    It stands for “Cookies For Comments” Chuck, and if it wasn’t there, the ‘blog would be completely deluged with spam. Are you posting from your cellulite phone? Or are your browsers security settings on “completely paranoid”?

    Anyway, it looks like Bowburn is doing a remarkably good job with the comments if you’re not putting them in there.

  12. @worky – to be honest I think thats who JC is blaming, unfortunately I only know one side of the argument

  13. I noticed that them ghastly unions have been slapped in the face by the high courts. British Airways strike action is illegal.

    Out to hold everyone to ransom them bastards! Some should be thankful just to have a job these days.

  14. “Or are your browsers security settings on “completely paranoid”?”

    I love geek banter.

  15. Stuart79 says:
    December 17, 2009 at 3:57 pm

    “Out to hold everyone to ransom them bastards! Some should be thankful just to have a job these days.”

    Stuart,

    If someone who earns millions of pounds a year and hasn’t taken a pay cut told you that you should work for absolutely nothing for a month, what would you say?

  16. That’s a fair point worky, but then again still, what about the people kicked out of their job, coming up to christmas with no income? Sometimes not a lot is better than nothing. Plus like you said, just for a month.

  17. I’ve had to have my hours cut to protect jobs. One word of warning though, if your employer suggests this in the future, make sure you get it set out and signed that you will return to your old terms and conditions. Some employers are cutting salaries by say, a ball park 20% but when the time comes to increase they are only getting 10% back.

    I negotiated an agreement to make sure we didn’t get stiched up this way.

  18. workyticket says:
    December 17, 2009 at 5:15 pm

    If you’re referring to Willie Walsh he also worked July without pay, so he is only asking cabin crew to do the same.

    The fact he earns more than them is irrelevant, the structure and position within the company dictates the pay scales of the employees.

    Cabin crew for BA earn more than any other cabin crew in the industry. The company is losing £400m per year. Are they just to continue like this and go bust?

    The Unions are vultures – They did it with Prison wardens, Fireman and lest we forget the miners. Their unscrupulous, trouble causing half wits who have the current government by the short snd curlies, and they know it.

    Pathetic!

  19. Stuart, could you please tell me what the basic pay of a BA Cabin Attendant is? And also, what qualifications they are expected to have? Could you also tell me what Willie Walsh’s salary is, and the amount of bonuses he receives on top of that?

  20. workyticket says:
    December 17, 2009 at 7:16 pm

    What’s your problem Worky?

    Walsh has a salary of £735k, plus a good pension with bonuses due on satisfying perfomances. He waivered a £700k bonus last year due to the Terminal 5 debacle and didn’t get any pay rise.

    Short haul cabin crew get approx £19k, with long haul £29k, compare that to Virgin Atlantic @ £14-16k (and their actually making a profit!) plus the over night spending money they get (approx £85 per night) and they can spend that how they want.

    There’s a common myth that BA cabin crew need to be bi lingual but that’s not correct.

  23. Stuart,
    get off it man.
    You’re sticking up for the wrong side.

    Are you aware of the ‘Tolpuddle Martyrs’, they put their lives on the line for everyone since.

  24. & you’re asking us to compare those sets of figures & see walsh as Mr Nice guy, sheeesh!
    He doesn’t need paying for, well, probably, the rest of his life.
    What’s his bank balance like then.

  25. I have a friend who is long haul cabin crew and he earns approx £25k but some are higher paid than him. Something to do with old contracts and new contracts.

    They make a lot of money from overnight stays too. That can make them an extra £5-6k and some of the things they do and get away with is criminal!

    Their so highly paid within the industry goes back to when they were state owned.

    BA are trying to get new crew on new contracts which is more in line with industry standard.

    Don’t forget the life they lead too, they travel all over the world and get paid for it.

    It’s a bloody cheek what their union is moanin about and the new contracted crew know it.

  26. Still trying to flog my ticket for Level 7.

    £20 face-value. It’s all sold out now and it’s the place to be, particularly on ‘derby’ (ahem) day.

  27. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 7:58 pm

    What’s your point?

    When people go on about someones salary it’s the politics of envy.

    If he does a good job he gets paid a bonus, which he has done in the past. They’ve had a bad year so he doesn’t get a bonus.

    Chief execs of huge companies like this get paid lots of money, it’s not new.

  29. Stevep that wasn’t Carver who had just started working as a barrister it was the lad how came in to give the club a top to bottom I think his name was Barris

  30. Stuart,
    my point is: you can’t compare £700+k pa with a lousy £25/30 pa.
    The former can work a few years & retire & the latter will be working their whole lives to survive.

    No politics or envy, just facts.

    Here:
    56,000+ people busted for ‘benefit fraud'(?)last year.
    50 big companies busted for tax fraud in the last 30 years & none in the last 10 years. BBC radio 4. Fact.

  31. toonsy – nah mate, just Level 7.

    Aye, wasn’t Ferris, the physio with Dekka Wright, who came back after training to become a barrister.

  34. workyticket says:
    December 17, 2009 at 8:27 pm
    Stuart, Do you read the Mail alot then?

    I wouldn’t read that racist, homophobic and bigotted rag if they paid me.

    I’m sorry if I know someone who works for BA, so I could answer your questions I apologise.

    CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 8:21 pm

    I’m not discussing the rights and wrongs of CEO salaries against shop floor salaries. There on a different planet and rightly so. But the people wanting to strike should be grateful they have a job.

    2.5M people are out of work and they would have given their right arm to have a py freez or go to a 4 day week.

    A company losing £400m per year would be totally entitled to look at redundancies not just a pay freeze/cut. Although the unions would go on strike at that too. It seems the unions would rather see them go bust.

  35. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 8:28 pm

    “Worky
    :-)”

    Clint, it’s funny how the most envious and hateful people in society are comfortably off Middle Class people who read the Mail.

  36. Stuart, even if they did earn £25,000 and many of them only earn a fraction of that they would still be below the average wage for working the most unsociable hours imaginable. Many of them are also expected to have degrees or similar. I take your point about other carriers paying lower wages, especially Virgin who are a disgrace for paying highly qualified cabin crew members under £15,000 a year.

  37. Stuart,
    Sorry man, but people living/subsisting on different planets, on the same planet, cannot be brushed aside with ‘rightly so’.
    This global banking crisis was caused by the long term greed of the rich & lackies thereof. While i partly agree that there’s a time & place to strike & it’s always us, the people who pay, that does not excuse their frivolous behavior.
    Isn’t it always the way that those that work the hardest get the least & vice versa.
    A sad & bitter endictment of the crap we’ve got ourselves into down the centuries based on cap doffing & saying : “at least master allows me to work my ass off for him”.

  38. Worky,
    that’s funny-err!
    Not funny-Ha ha!

    So long as it doesn’t affect them, i suppose?
    ;)

  39. workyticket says:
    December 17, 2009 at 8:45 pm

    ‘Working the most unsociable hours imaginable’? Dear god man!

    There travelling the world nd their not just seeing airports. These people have up to four days in Las Vegas, New York, Sydney and many other great cities. It’s not a chore.

    Your point about earning a fraction of £24k, that rubbish! BA cabin crew earn that and more with overnight payments.

    My partner has a friend who works for Virgin and she is on a basic of £10k per year. She loves flying long haul and seeing the brilliant places of the world. She earns £20k a year when you add the extras. That’s not bad when you consider a lot of them are young, free and get to see the world.

  40. Stuart79 says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    “My partner has a friend who works for Virgin and she is on a basic of £10k per year.”

    I’m turning green with envy Stuart! :-)

  41. not being bias or any thing but i think they get paid quite well for the work they do if u want to argue aboot wages why dont u use the forces as an example my lad brings home 1200 pound a month as a sac in the raf oh and when hes on a tour he will get an extra 2400 which works oot at 95 pound a week and for gettin shot at and going on 20 pluss hours patrols but he chose his job as did the ba staff now ive had me moan i hope every 1 is ok :lol:

  42. batty says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    Couldn’t agree more Batty.

    Yet we have idiots like the Unite Union and Worky who preach bull shit about working conditions and salaries of people who travel the world as tourists after working minimum 5hrs or maximum 12hrs while getting paid for it.

    Me thinks some people have their priorities ridiculously wrong!

  43. workyticket says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:25 pm
    Stuart79 says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:04 pm

    “My partner has a friend who works for Virgin and she is on a basic of £10k per year.”

    I’m turning green with envy Stuart!

    I would say more YELLOW

  44. Don’t know how the hell one could ‘live’ on £10-20k pa like.
    Obviously, no kids & somewhere cheap, but that ain’t what i call ‘living’.

  47. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    Where the hell do you live stuart, physically & psychologically?

  48. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:38 pm
    Where the hell do you live stuart, physically & psychologically?

    What do you mean?

    Also your point about living on £10-20k, I agree but they know the salary when they accept the job so it’s a bit rich the union striking saying the wages aren’t fair.

  51. I think sometimes Unions are run be a bunch of knobs that never have to go without.FFS I worked for 6 months free just to get a job while working on the side to keep the Family going.

  52. batty says:
    December 17, 2009 at 9:27 pm

    “not being bias or any thing but i think they get paid quite well for the work they do if u want to argue aboot wages why dont u use the forces as an example my lad brings home 1200 pound a month as a sac in the raf oh and when hes on a tour he will get an extra 2400 which works oot at 95 pound a week and for gettin shot at and going on 20 pluss hours patrols but he chose his job as did the ba staff now ive had me moan i hope every 1 is ok”

    That’s a false comparison though batty. Just because someone else, in this case your son, is perhaps being lower wages than they should be, it doesn’t mean that everyone should be paid low wages. Of course, it’s a different case with soldiers who are being shot at, or firemen for that matter who also have a job which can be as dangerous as fighting in a combat zone. You could make a valid argument that nothing is really enough for people in those two professions, bearing in mind the risk involved.

    Wages for ordinary working people have progressively gone down in real terms since 1974, which statisically was the best time for the average, working man or woman. This progressive decrease in wages (and also worker’s rights) has subsidised enormous payrises for parasitic directors. It was Thatcher’s adoption of Hayekian economics which was one of the main turning points.

    Somewhat ironically, Hayek’s most famous book was called “The Road to Serfdom”.

  53. batty, alright mate.
    Not everyone can afford child care costs & go off to work, depends on kids ages like.

    Stuart,
    do i really have to spell it out any clearer, or are you just being evasive?
    For an extremely wealthy country, we have a lot of poor people.
    Think about it dude.
    Some are properly unable to get their lives sorted, through accident of birth.

    Maybe this conversation is emblematic of what i’m talking about.
    sigh!

  54. Worky,
    i’m guessing Stuart doesn’t remember thatch, or the effect & hatred she caused.
    & isn’t aware of the history of the division of wealth & labour.
    I reckon there’s a lot like that these days.

    Nice comeback, btw.

  55. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    “Nice comeback, btw.”

    Thanks, though it wasn’t a “comeback” in batty’s case because he has a point, soldiers do get paid buggerall in times like these, when they are expected to take great risks in the line of duty. However, it’s a classic “divide and rule” strategy, where ordinary working people are persuaded to fight amongst themselves over who gets the largest pittance.

  57. Worky,
    totally agree.

    I’m amazed at the forces pay scale.
    Sadly, i think you’ll find up 25% is made up of people from the north east & closely followed by other working class areas i.e. Wales, Scotland, midlands, ‘up north’ & poor part of the south east.

    Some will always argue the case of their pay masters in an attempt to justify their own aspirations.

  58. workyticket says:
    December 17, 2009 at 10:24 pm
    CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 10:14 pm

    “Nice comeback, btw.”

    Thanks, though it wasn’t a “comeback” in batty’s case because he has a point, soldiers do get paid buggerall in times like these, when they are expected to take great risks in the line of duty
    <<<<< but i suppose its down to the goverment nurses soilders fireman all shit wages compared to the police force i know a copper who used to be in the forces he reckons he can earn more for working new years eve than he did in a week in the forces

  62. batty says:
    December 17, 2009 at 10:32 pm

    “but i suppose its down to the goverment nurses soilders fireman all shit wages compared to the police force i know a copper who used to be in the forces he reckons he can earn more for working new years eve than he did in a week in the forces”

    Divven’t get me gannin’ on about the bizzies, batty! :-)

  63. Aye batty,
    2 mate.
    Grown up lad from 1st marriage, great kid.
    & 2 1/2 year old girl from present relationship, she’s gorgeous.
    Whenever she sees black n’ white stuff, magpies, football whatever, she goes ‘like the Toon daddy’-Priceless!

  65. She also sings ‘kenny, kenny sit on the ball’
    :)

    She sat on the ball one day when we were having a kick aboot down the park & i sang it to her about a year back, then she seen someone sit on the ball & started singing it the other week, how did she remember?
    Me & the Mrs. laughed w’heeds off. LOL

  66. clint i have 3 eldest 22 in raf 21 brickie and me 12 year old daughter all with the same lass and all 3 toon mad

  69. right nite lads got to get some sleep and what ever any 1 else thinks we are the best football supporters in the world

  70. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 10:53 pm

    “She sat on the ball one day when we were having a kick aboot down the park & i sang it to her about a year back, then she seen someone sit on the ball & started singing it the other week, how did she remember?”

    Clint, our capacity for remembering and learning is always at it’s best in our very youngest years.

  71. aye dave had the lads when we were young then the missus was craving for a little girl and me daughter is the boss oot of the 3 of them but arnt they always nite m8

  77. Worky,
    amazing though all the same, i only sang it to her once.
    :)

    I’m teaching her some old classics like.
    1 for sorrow etc, blaydon races, Howay the lads, We are the Geordies.
    ;)

  80. As close as I could get. I’ve found smilies. Or maybe smilies have found me…

    Not that I didn’t know they were there. Just I’m more fond of them now. Particularly the more interesting ones.

  83. pffffttt ASCII??? All that hexadecimal stuff scared the bejeez out of me in uni. How the hell do you make art out of it?

  84. Sheesh!
    sepp(tic) bladder is a complete tool, how did he get to be ‘el presidente’. His ramblings have no basis in reality.

  91. Reet, sorry it was so short-lived.

    Will try to contribute more in near future. And not just smilies

  95. evening lads. Just been reading .com and they claim that the smoggies are still selling tickets for the game this weekend, seemingly unable to flog their whopping 2,757 allocated seats. Now, i’m sure they’ll probably go before the game, but it’s just a bit of a shame, isn’t it?…Not that i dont find it amusing like, but on the eve of what will be classed as one of the biggest games of their season, will probably be classed as derby, over the festive period…not to have sold under 3,000 tickets by this point?..Looks like they couldnt buy support at the minute.

  97. “Signed by the club’s safety officer, this letter concluded with the words: “I am receiving more and more complaints from our fans… about both the persistent standing and the constant noise coming from the back of this stand. Please stop, make as much noise as you like when we score, but this constant noise is driving some fans mad.” This, quite understandably, received an angry reaction from fans and many protested by turning their backs on the game. In the end they didn’t miss much and their team are “Woefully weak and in danger!” according to the local paper.”

    http://www.wsc.co.uk/content/view/2938/38/

  98. Worky-i did indeed and found it hilarious.

    “ehh, can you stop banging that drum please, its annoying the supporters infront of you”…it was the only corner of the ground that made any noise/tried to create some sort of atmosphere.

    It’s a shame to be honest. The fact they havent been able to sell 3,000 tickets for a game this size speaks volumes. I guarantee any other team in this league would have had 3,000 tickets for Newcastle away go inside a couple of days. They played at home infront of 17,000 last week. The ones that were there, boo’d after watching them go down 3 nowt to Blackpool i think it was. I was joking with Clint i think it was last week that there’d be empty seats in the away end for their game with us..i’m starting to think the comments i was making jokingly could actually have some weight behind them

  99. Ross, to be fair though, it’s quite a small town, much smaller than the Gateshead alone and it’s shrinking all the time too. For some bizarre reason, people keep wanting to move out of the place as soon as they can! :-)

  100. CLiNT FLiCK says:
    December 17, 2009 at 10:14 pm
    Worky,
    i’m guessing Stuart doesn’t remember thatch, or the effect & hatred she caused.
    & isn’t aware of the history of the division of wealth & labour.
    I reckon there’s a lot like that these days

    You’re right there are alot of poor people in this country. The reason is that the government have put in place a benifit system which encourages people not to get a job.

    There are too many lazy bastards who want to sit at home watching Jeremy Kyle all day collecting their beinifit cheque every week.

    Their called under class.

  101. worky , strange lot them down at the boro – they once banned a fan & confiscated his season ticket for falling asleep at a game…every thing worked out fine though , he got offered his ticket back 5 months after it expired !.

    stuart , it’s better to take part in the jeremy kyle show…apparently your paid £1000.00 & i know for certain of one – regular blogger – to this site that’s made more than one appearance.

    …not to mention any names like but his begins with b & ends y.

  104. Morning chaps. Visitied Wolverhampton Races on Monday, and have just about recovered.

    Took all your tips on board … BBM – none of the 3 legged horses that you suggested came in … Stuart, the nailed on cert in the 3.20 came 7th out of 11 … and Clint the ‘hourses for courses’ tip did me no favours whatsoever.

    Never mind … the turkey dinner was good …

    Roll on Sunday and 3 points … I did go on the Boro website earlier and it does say that there are some tickets left. Terrible support.

  106. It’s been reported on sky that Phil Brown has suggested that Sol Campbell has been offered to the club.

    Hope he goes to Hull, as its clear to me that he is troubled man! If he comes to us I think he’ll hardly play and cause problems with egos and wages … stay away sol.

  107. Stuart79

    Hello there young man. I beleive you are not from Newcastle or in fact any part of the north east… are you?

  108. I ask this because you have shown no affiliation for the area and it’s great history.

    A person as young as yourself could to a lot worse than look for the latest edition of Andrew Gamble’s Britain in Decline. While you’re looking, an interesting contrast to Thatcherism might be “Jordan:A whole new World” the best seller commentary by Katie Price.

    Then if you are still not convinced, you may wish to take a tour around some of the surrounding pit villages near Newcastle and you can discuss your right wing views on Thatcherism with the “lazy bastards” that still live there.

    On a lighter note – Rosie Webster from Corry…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1236711/Coronation-Street-Temptress-Rosie-Webster-strips-bid-new-Jordan.html

  109. the weatherfield vixen.

    and a show for those in favour of a ban for stupot 79 ‘s wierd world…that’s an aye aye aye aye aye from me.

  110. Arthur, are right wing views wrong and yours right?, let Stuart have his say and dont be like this nanny state we live in, Thatcher was a twat but Brown and Blair are just as responsible for the underclass that blights our society.

  111. Woah, too many politics!

    3 things that shouldn’t be involved heavily in footy chat 1)Politics 2)Racism 3)Sunderland

    :D

  112. Still a communist Arthur?
    Once they pull off the climate hoax in C’hagen it will be back to socialism and dictatorships…you must be one happy man.

  114. toonsy says:
    December 18, 2009 at 7:25 pm

    “Gone quiet, where is everbody?”

    No blogs today yet Toonsy. Things have been completely mad for me and I haven’t been able to write anything once I get all the other ‘blog stuff done. Bowburn, with a bit of help from yourself and Deb of course, have been holding the fort with that kind of thing, but he’s probably been busy as well today, and Deb’s probably travelling around working somewhere.

    Apologies to all for the lack of activity today so far.

  116. Hello again.

    Royston, nice to see you, how’s Hayley?
    Bigbadbob, nice to see you too, do you know who Wyn Davies is?
    Toonsy, ya bang on sonna… Politics and footy blogs don’t mix.
    SJT, Whatever happened to Rodzilla?

  120. How brother Batty, funny you should say that like, cos av been on the hoy al day! just come back to see if stuart got back tiv is.

  127. arthur , she’s doing great thanks.though i’m worried about molly dobbs – her head keeps spinning around whilst spewing green puke & talking with a very deep voice.

    “help me”

  128. worky @ 114 – I meant lack of banter more than anything. Everyone disappeared! How dare they before go before i went to work :D

  129. Stuart,
    which government was that then?
    Mate, you’re barking up the wrong tree, you have no clue what you’re talking about. I think you’ll find people died to bring a health service & benefit system to this country.
    Do some history research & please keep your sordid, ill-informed, right-wing opinions to yourself. Your ilk are the enemy of the working class.

    Off you go back to watching jeremy kyle.

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